malice
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Post by malice on Dec 16, 2023 14:44:03 GMT -5
they just announced some tour dates for 2024, i bet it'll be the same setlist, but it would be cool if they did something more fallen-ish for this time around.
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Thomas
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Post by Thomas on Mar 3, 2024 6:09:32 GMT -5
The only different demo on the cassette is Imaginary. The rest seem unchanged and it sounds like the ones we've already had. The voice notes are interesting, with alternate lyrics for Going Under.
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Post by lowasweare on Mar 3, 2024 6:49:59 GMT -5
What if that Whisper demo we all know was edited by a fan (or anyone else) and that intro was never supposed to be there?
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Post by dekrou on Mar 3, 2024 8:11:07 GMT -5
What if that Whisper demo we all know was edited by a fan (or anyone else) and that intro was never supposed to be there? I believe Amy mentioned that demo with intro when she talked about Synthesis's Overture.
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Post by imnotbroken118 on Mar 3, 2024 14:50:20 GMT -5
I listened to the cassette audio on YouTube since my box is bundled with the cassette player and is delayed. *facepalm* C'mon Concord, can we hit just ONE release date on time?
I think more than Imaginary is new. The drums in Tourniquet (especially in the intro) are different. I'll have to listen closer when I get my order because it was hard to compare the cassette rip to the clear mp3s we've had for so long.
Getting to hear Amy working on creating Going Under on the piano is so freaking cool though. Probably my favorite moment on the cassette.
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Post by DarkFlare89 on Mar 3, 2024 22:15:08 GMT -5
I listened to the cassette audio on YouTube since my box is bundled with the cassette player and is delayed. *facepalm* C'mon Concord, can we hit just ONE release date on time? I think more than Imaginary is new. The drums in Tourniquet (especially in the intro) are different. I'll have to listen closer when I get my order because it was hard to compare the cassette rip to the clear mp3s we've had for so long. Getting to hear Amy working on creating Going Under on the piano is so freaking cool though. Probably my favorite moment on the cassette. You were able to find the cassette on YouTube? For the life of me I can't find anything but Imaginary ( HERE if anyone is interested). I'm interested to hear if the ending to Going Under is different from the one we have. The Demo we have (see HERE) fades at the end, but the one being listened to on Making of Fallen (see HERE 17:56-20:54, especially at the end) ends as it does on the album (i.e. ends nice and clean with no fade). So I wonder, despite sounding for the most part the same (like Haunted v1 and Haunted v4) if the Going Under demo on the cassette is the same as on Making of Fallen. At least then we'd have 2 demos of Going Under, despite them being incredibly similar (I mean, technically all three demos of Tourniquet are like that too, no? Just with one or two minor differences). Judging by a couple of posts above, I presume the Whisper demo on this is just the demo we have minus the really cool intro? Maybe that couldn't be released because it's copyrighted by the R+J soundtrack people? As for Imaginary, it's interesting. So it kind of resembles the Origin version (in contrast to v1 and v2) considering it begins with the bridge and then chorus and then verse 1. None of that was a surprise. Then it goes into the 'if you need to leave' verse, similar to Origin again so that was cool too - it's like having a 2001-2002 Demo of the Origin version of Imaginary (since both v1 and v2 are both more Fallen-like in nature). What I wasn't expecting was for it to go into verse 2 ("don't say I'm out of touch") and then . . . just flow into Amy vocalizations haha. I feel like structurally that's kind of weird? I expected the chorus again after verse 2 (or would this be considered verse 3?) rather than Amy vocalizations and then the chorus to end the song. (In other words, I kind of expected it to flow after verse 2 in a similar way as it does in v1 of the song?) It seemed like they didn't quite know how they wanted to ultimately structure Imaginary at this point - it strikes me that v3 (this song) predates v1 and v2, especially seeing how closely it mirrors the Origin structure of the song. This was more of an experimental 'lets-see-what-works' kind of thing. Glad we have it now though.
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Post by imnotbroken118 on Mar 3, 2024 22:34:40 GMT -5
I listened to the cassette audio on YouTube since my box is bundled with the cassette player and is delayed. *facepalm* C'mon Concord, can we hit just ONE release date on time? I think more than Imaginary is new. The drums in Tourniquet (especially in the intro) are different. I'll have to listen closer when I get my order because it was hard to compare the cassette rip to the clear mp3s we've had for so long. Getting to hear Amy working on creating Going Under on the piano is so freaking cool though. Probably my favorite moment on the cassette. You were able to find the cassette on YouTube? For the life of me I can't find anything but Imaginary ( HERE if anyone is interested). Here is the video I watched.
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Post by DarkFlare89 on Mar 4, 2024 0:05:17 GMT -5
You were able to find the cassette on YouTube? For the life of me I can't find anything but Imaginary ( HERE if anyone is interested). Here is the video I watched. Thank you! So I absolutely just sat through 40 minutes of listening to this haha. Imaginary - I talked about this already, so I'm going to skip. Whisper - Hmm, like I thought - no intro (because copyright?) or is this simply the first rendition of what was later known as Whisper 2002? (Even though it was made in 2001 ha!). I can never tell if the vocals sound just slightly different because of YouTube audio or pitch-altering on the uploaders part due to copyright-evading-measures or my faulty memory. I think the rest is the same apart from the missing intro. Haunted - As expected - it was either going to be v1 or v4. I'm really glad they went with v4 with the screams at the end AND the original lyrics (the unique feature of v4, which blends the end of v2 and the lyrics of v1 - my favorite!) Everybody's Fool - Ah the latest demo (Oct 2002) - let us see if this is the one from Making of Fallen (which if memory serves, has no demo computerized vocals and some different, more Fallen-esque lyrical elements). Hmm, this seems to be v1 (no 'I know the truth now' part). Aww, I like v2 better. Taking Over Me - Aww is this v1 of this song too? v2 superior LOL. Missing - Hmm, my least-favorite of the 2001-2002 demos and this doesn't sound like the much-cooler Making of Fallen rendition. "Isn't something missing?" (Farther Away deserved this spot more ). Going Under - AAYYY my theory was right! So this demo IS from Making of Fallen I talked about before! The ending cleanly ends, unlike GU v1 which fades at the end with the music still going/Amy still singing. Nice! Tourniquet - Okay let's see what they do with this - surely no quotes from R+J? (They're still there! Interesting) Hmm are the vocals/drums different here? Tourniquet has always seemed to me to be so muffled sounding - this sounds certainly cleaner and clearer than any other Tourniquet demo I've heard haha. Hmm, the ending is different? Yeah! That's what it is - the ending is much longer and elaborate (so like a demo version of the ending on Fallen, not including the orchestral part obviously). It seems like a cooler version of v3 with a more elaborate ending? Nice! My Last Breath - Hmm, no differences? Maybe? Aww, no MLB v2. That being said - the quality of these demos is something else. I guess they were remastered too? Because typically the MLB demo sounds a bit subdued but this demo, even on YouTube, sounds awesome. Bring Me To Life - Okay BMTL, please don't be the same one on the CD. It sounds . . . like v1, which I guess is okay LOL. Vocal Notes - Hooray Breathe No More - oh wow how amazing that sounds! If only we could have gotten a complete demo of it! Ooh the strange alternative version of Going Under is cool "tried to be strong without you/ I'm going under!" That's cool. They say GU was the last song completed for Fallen, so I guess it makes sense she would have recordings of the process of it coming together. Overall pretty cool - out of the anniversary package we got maybe five new demos (Imaginary v3, GU v2, Tourniquet v4 definitely - MAYBE BMTL v3 (on CD unless it is a modified v2 due to copyright) and MAYBE Whisper v2 (unless it is a modified Whisper 2002 due to copyright). Six if you add the 'Strings Version' of My Immortal that is, in essence, an alternate take of the Band Version. Complete aside, but I just realized the GU acoustic on the anniversary package is the exclusive GU acoustic that used to be only found on the Spanish edition of the GU single. So that's really cool that that particular acoustic has a wider release instead of the FM99 one that was on every other single.
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Post by dekrou on Mar 8, 2024 13:48:32 GMT -5
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Post by rionka on Mar 21, 2024 13:00:10 GMT -5
wow, that's so beautiful, thanks a lot for sharing! the sound of acoustic guitar reminds me field of innocence so much... and damn, i love my last breath demo the dates are so interesting
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Post by lowasweare on Mar 30, 2024 12:36:27 GMT -5
Here is the video I watched. Thank you! So I absolutely just sat through 40 minutes of listening to this haha. Imaginary - I talked about this already, so I'm going to skip. Whisper - Hmm, like I thought - no intro (because copyright?) or is this simply the first rendition of what was later known as Whisper 2002? (Even though it was made in 2001 ha!). I can never tell if the vocals sound just slightly different because of YouTube audio or pitch-altering on the uploaders part due to copyright-evading-measures or my faulty memory. I think the rest is the same apart from the missing intro. Haunted - As expected - it was either going to be v1 or v4. I'm really glad they went with v4 with the screams at the end AND the original lyrics (the unique feature of v4, which blends the end of v2 and the lyrics of v1 - my favorite!) Everybody's Fool - Ah the latest demo (Oct 2002) - let us see if this is the one from Making of Fallen (which if memory serves, has no demo computerized vocals and some different, more Fallen-esque lyrical elements). Hmm, this seems to be v1 (no 'I know the truth now' part). Aww, I like v2 better. Taking Over Me - Aww is this v1 of this song too? v2 superior LOL. Missing - Hmm, my least-favorite of the 2001-2002 demos and this doesn't sound like the much-cooler Making of Fallen rendition. "Isn't something missing?" (Farther Away deserved this spot more ). Going Under - AAYYY my theory was right! So this demo IS from Making of Fallen I talked about before! The ending cleanly ends, unlike GU v1 which fades at the end with the music still going/Amy still singing. Nice! Tourniquet - Okay let's see what they do with this - surely no quotes from R+J? (They're still there! Interesting) Hmm are the vocals/drums different here? Tourniquet has always seemed to me to be so muffled sounding - this sounds certainly cleaner and clearer than any other Tourniquet demo I've heard haha. Hmm, the ending is different? Yeah! That's what it is - the ending is much longer and elaborate (so like a demo version of the ending on Fallen, not including the orchestral part obviously). It seems like a cooler version of v3 with a more elaborate ending? Nice! My Last Breath - Hmm, no differences? Maybe? Aww, no MLB v2. That being said - the quality of these demos is something else. I guess they were remastered too? Because typically the MLB demo sounds a bit subdued but this demo, even on YouTube, sounds awesome. Bring Me To Life - Okay BMTL, please don't be the same one on the CD. It sounds . . . like v1, which I guess is okay LOL. Vocal Notes - Hooray Breathe No More - oh wow how amazing that sounds! If only we could have gotten a complete demo of it! Ooh the strange alternative version of Going Under is cool "tried to be strong without you/ I'm going under!" That's cool. They say GU was the last song completed for Fallen, so I guess it makes sense she would have recordings of the process of it coming together. Overall pretty cool - out of the anniversary package we got maybe five new demos (Imaginary v3, GU v2, Tourniquet v4 definitely - MAYBE BMTL v3 (on CD unless it is a modified v2 due to copyright) and MAYBE Whisper v2 (unless it is a modified Whisper 2002 due to copyright). Six if you add the 'Strings Version' of My Immortal that is, in essence, an alternate take of the Band Version. Complete aside, but I just realized the GU acoustic on the anniversary package is the exclusive GU acoustic that used to be only found on the Spanish edition of the GU single. So that's really cool that that particular acoustic has a wider release instead of the FM99 one that was on every other single. think you may be interested in this small note in the inside of the demo cassette: "...The date isn't necessarily when a demo was first made, just the last time we messed with it. So many of these are older than they say"
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Post by rionka on Apr 17, 2024 6:30:26 GMT -5
Yeah i guess that these were just "last change of the audio file" or something.
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Post by 2fast4all on May 2, 2024 0:42:37 GMT -5
I'm disappointed disk 1 was not remastered. It sounds exactly the same as OG fallen. Though disk 2 seems to be remastered and or cleaned up so it sounds better.
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Post by Grimella Blackrose on Jul 17, 2024 0:01:19 GMT -5
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malice
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Post by malice on Jul 17, 2024 0:21:53 GMT -5
100% fanmade. Here is the official tracklist for it on Discogs
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