DarkFlare89
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Post by DarkFlare89 on Oct 3, 2023 21:22:02 GMT -5
I can't imagine they went out of their way to modify the demo in any way (other than 'remastering' it, whatever that may mean), because what would be the point of doing so? Taking v2 and making it shorter is less likely then there just being a third demo that happened to have the first chorus short. I have to listen to them side by side to better determine what exactly are the differences between the two though, but that's what I think - this is just one of many versions of BMTL. Just like how Tourniquet v2 & v3 are incredibly similar, so are BMTL v2 & v3. I can't say you're wrong, but I also don't know if I'm sold that there was another demo. I could maybe see Amy making a decision to alter the track to set it apart from the demos that leaked 20 years ago. Everything else is essentially the same (I know, I know: Tourniquet, Everybody's Fool, etc. but then why wasn't this one leaked with the rest?) and the cut doesn't feel super natural like it was intended. I think the part that throws me off would be the stylistic choice of how she sang "dark". The original song structure would hold the song on the Em chord to finish the phrase, but the cut moves the song to the C chord. It would have made more sense to end "dark" on the tonic or 3rd instead of the 2nd before moving into another section of the song. The note choice to me says that the phrasing wasn't resolved after the two lines which leads me to believe it wasn't originally intended. But then again, it's just a demo, right? Idk, lol. I've definitely put too much time into thinking it through. And who knows? Maybe there was a weird recording or clipping issue that they decided to cut while they were polishing it up. I wonder if Amy will clarify exactly what we're hearing. Maybe once the focus on sales goes down as to not bring visibility that the demos have been accessible online for about as long as Fallen has existed lol. You've convinced me a bit - I'm 50/50 now. The last line you said actually made me think of something super important. Amy MAY have changed the demo because she didn't want to 'make official'/copyright a song that has been in the fans' hands for the past 20 years. Can you imagine someone's YouTube fanvid (or whatever) after over a decade of being completely fine, only now getting flagged for using BMTL demo because it now has on official release LOL. Amy may have decided to change something rather unimportant (in the grand scheme of the demo - at least to fans that may have never heard of the demos, if such Evanescence fans exist haha) so that there IS a differentiation between the demo we've had all this time and this new "polished" "official" "released" demo (although why BMTL is the ONLY demo released on the CD still strikes me as bizarre). I also liked your analysis of the music progression - that's good stuff. I know next to nothing about things like that so that was super helpful to read. If it actually is really odd for the song to move in the C chord, like you stated, then perhaps this was an intentional manipulation by Amy. The only small push-back I would give is your question about if this was BMTL v3, why wasn't it released with the others. I'm not 100% certain about the original release/leak of the demos back in the wild-wild-west days of 2001-2002 internet. I think it was something along the lines of different 'folders' of songs leaked, at different times, on Yahoo groups? Or rather, first on those shady sharing websites (Kazzaa, Limewire, Windamp?) and then more reasonably on the Evanescence Yahoo groups. (This tracks with how The Forbidden Song got leaked since it was in someone's "shared folder overnight"). We know it wasn't all leaked at once because the discography of the Exodus Evanescence website, at different intervals, listed different demos. Many early 2003 discographies would have, for example, the Not For Your Ears demos but say nothing about Imaginary v2, or Lies (Post-Origin), or My Last Breath (etc etc). Otherwise bootleggers would have included them as well for completions sake. Many demos leaked post-2004 (Tourniquet v3, Haunted v3 + v4, Going Under (demo), the original AOTS (full without cuts), even the original GUM (Instrumental) that's on the SA/W EP in the first place!) So alternate variations of demos not leaking during the few waves of leaks pre and post Fallen wouldn't surprise me. We know there are demos we still haven't heard completely due to what we hear in Making of Fallen. But overall, the points you made are good ones so I have to rethink what I see this 'new' BMTL (Demo) as. (As an aside, I noticed in the demo cassette list that Hello, Farther Away, and Breath No More are missing - odd since Amy posted on Twitter (I think) her listening to the Breathe No More demo session . . . which literally sounds like a demo of the Final Edit rather than the demo we have so . . . why isn't that included? Talk about teasing us with demos we don't have!)
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Post by feedingthedark on Oct 6, 2023 10:06:00 GMT -5
But overall, the points you made are good ones so I have to rethink what I see this 'new' BMTL (Demo) as. (As an aside, I noticed in the demo cassette list that Hello, Farther Away, and Breath No More are missing - odd since Amy posted on Twitter (I think) her listening to the Breathe No More demo session . . . which literally sounds like a demo of the Final Edit rather than the demo we have so . . . why isn't that included? Talk about teasing us with demos we don't have!) Yeah, but for Breathe No More I think it will be part of the Fallen Voice Notes track, because it's not the full song- just her being interrupted by a cat or something. I'm just guessing.
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Post by imnotbroken118 on Oct 15, 2023 18:16:15 GMT -5
Did anyone else receive a notification that their Walmart clear/smoke vinyl order was cancelled? I ordered it a few days after they were announced and the email says that it was cancelled because of a delay in shipping, even though it's a pre-order...
I might just replace the order when I receive my refund but I'm wondering if anyone else had this happen.
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Post by Vexing.Rune on Oct 27, 2023 13:57:01 GMT -5
Has anyone been able to cancel their order from Concord Jazz/Sandbag LTD? I'm trying to for personal financial reasons but they're really making me jump through hoops. If you're ordering from the UK just be aware. Not happy with their sketchy site at all
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Post by imnotbroken118 on Oct 27, 2023 15:11:34 GMT -5
Has anyone been able to cancel their order from Concord Jazz/Sandbag LTD? I'm trying to for personal financial reasons but they're really making me jump through hoops. If you're ordering from the UK just be aware. Not happy with their sketchy site at all I fought with Concord trying to cancel a portion of my order because nowhere does it say that if you order a CD and the boxset that the CD will wait to ship until the boxset comes in next year. They also made made me jump through hoops but after sending screenshots of their website and asking them to point out to me where I agreed to their shipping rules, they met me half way and split my order so I'd receive the CD at release. This isn't the first time I've had issues with Concord and I absolutely hate giving them my money for the awful customer service they provide. Good luck in your pursuit. They are stubborn, but your best bet is to stay calm, polite, and provide good counter arguments.
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mrmellow
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Post by mrmellow on Nov 17, 2023 11:27:26 GMT -5
Does anybody know when the special edition or box set version of the 20th anniversary Fallen will be released? I'm keen to hear the extra stuff!
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Post by lowasweare on Nov 17, 2023 11:44:47 GMT -5
Does anybody know when the special edition or box set version of the 20th anniversary Fallen will be released? I'm keen to hear the extra stuff! Ships on or before February 23, 2024.
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Post by lowasweare on Nov 17, 2023 20:10:20 GMT -5
I think I will buy the japanese edition, it's a jewel case!!!
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Post by imnotbroken118 on Nov 17, 2023 22:08:51 GMT -5
I took the day off work to go buy all the store exclusive vinyls lol. I treat Ev releases like a personal holiday. Plus, I absolutely have to make time to celebrate 20 years of the album that made me fall in love with music.
It's been fun to revisit this album a bit. I forgot how much I loved Taking Over Me. Also, why haven't we gotten to hear Farther Away with Will on drums? That is so unfair lol.
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Post by mrmellow on Nov 18, 2023 13:10:51 GMT -5
I sat and listened all the way through last night, and honestly, it made me really fall in love with the album all over again. Took me right back to listening to it when it first came out all those years ago. The sound is so much clearer and sharper! It's actually a great remaster.
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Post by dekrou on Nov 26, 2023 13:06:20 GMT -5
It's kind of sad we didn't get Bliss Mix of Bring Me to Life on this Remaster.
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Post by imnotbroken118 on Nov 26, 2023 13:56:06 GMT -5
I was watching a video interview with Amy the other day, talking about putting together the Fallen 20th Anniversary release, and she said something along the lines of, "...there's nothing I have that I couldn't find online." It was nice to have it confirmed that we pretty much have it all.
I also chuckled at the idea of Amy searching for her own old demos on Google and YouTube. "Do they have this?!? ... Damnit! Of course, they do!"
The re-release has been interesting because Amy has been less shy on her current feelings towards Fallen in interviews. Not that I think it comes across that she hates it or anything, but I get a sense that she wishes she could pick and choose things to hold on to and let the rest stay as a part of history. It's weird being a fan and hearing an artist talk about work that you still love like it's become lesser over time, but at the same time I do understand not wanting to have to hold on to your old self when that's not who you've grown to be.
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Post by lowasweare on Dec 6, 2023 19:10:31 GMT -5
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Post by boodledog on Dec 7, 2023 0:45:06 GMT -5
Amy said she only found one new demo, so I guess that is it. Shame, I was really hoping for another Missing demo.
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DarkFlare89
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Post by DarkFlare89 on Dec 7, 2023 20:29:11 GMT -5
Amy said she only found one new demo, so I guess that is it. Shame, I was really hoping for another Missing demo. While she did say this (much to my dismay) I still don't understand how that's possible. Imaginary v3 (apparently, going by the video) is from the same session as Whisper and Haunted (going by the dates on the track-listing they released) - so what versions is she going to put on the cassette tape? She can't put Whisper 2002 on there can she? Can she legally release a song that has the first minute or so from the Romeo & Juliet soundtrack (just sped up a bit and mashed two songs together)? Also, was there really only 1 demo of Whisper in the entire Fallen Session? What about that cool keyboard outro they were messing with on the Making Of Fallen? What about the fact that it is colloquially called Whisper 2002 and it wasn't even recorded then (LOL my pettiness). If it is simply Haunted v2 and Whisper 2002, then I'm confused how both those were leaked but Imaginary v3, from the same session, missed getting leaked (maybe just coincidence?) The 'final' demos of EF & Missing would make me think that we'd be getting the Making of Fallen demos we hear rather than just . . . like v2 of EF and the one Missing demo we have. Haunted could go either way, we have four demos of that. TOM is probably v2 over v1. Going Under technically has three demos talked about from Making of Fallen (and one we hear parts of), so even though they sound nearly the same from the one we have (and probably from Amy's perspective), we could be getting a 'new' version of GU inadvertantly. You know? Like Amy thinks it is something everyone has, but it is actually the take we hear from Making of Fallen that we actually didn't have in full etc etc. Back to legality, can they legally release a demo of Tourniquet with Clare Dane's saying 'I Long to Die' (amongst other things if it is v2, so it probably will be either v1 or v3)? Maybe it will be considered a sample, thus allowable? Like GU, I hope MLB also has a different part to it (however slight) so we can at least say we have 2 MLB demos. Who knows what BMTL will be - probably v2 or their 'version' of v2 that they put on the CD (still not sure if v3 or their alterations). I hope it's not the same BMTL demo though - especially since Farther Away didn't get a slot on the cassette it seems. Still want that Breathe No More demo that's just piano though! I can still hope! I'm not surprised no Hello or My Immortal.
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