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Post by Lycrymosa on Dec 17, 2015 0:54:29 GMT -5
I noticed Evanescence Reference Origin page was edited from start to finish, some of the information is very vague with no sources backing it up to be true. If there is actual sources from reputable websites I myself would be curious to see them. I edited the page myself, easyway . By all means, please elaborate on what you mean by "vague" and I'll make sure I'll try to be more specific there or explain what you don't understand in simple words to you. And regarding the sources, I'm pretty sure the other guys here can help improve the page there with reliable information, instead of collecting any crappy info posted on inaccurate websites (pretty much like what you're trying to do on Discogs right now to use MTV's super inaccurate website to justify that your fake Origin was pressed on January 1st, 2000 before everything else because so says the unreliable website). So, once again, by all means, I am totally opened to suggestions. Including suggestions on how to back up the information there with sources. And by "sources", I mean ACCURATE ones.  There are only a few things I find a bit "off putting" on the Origin Page of EvRef. Also, I'm not sure mods on EvBoard will be able to point anyone on the right direction to someone who has an authentic copy of Origin. I thought it was better not to feather our own nest mentioning only this forum. I myself haven't been to EB since 2012, so I don't know the situation there and who the mods might be. Do you think it's best to keep just Evthreads there, then? Besides, do you have an EvRef account? If so, can you help me edit the page as most of this recent info came from your own investigations? If not, please, tell me what's odd (either here or PM me) and I can correct it for us.  Also the part that says "Both batches have the same IFPI codes" is not right. Each batch has it's own unique IFPI codes e.g. all the N1222M batch have the same IFPI codes within that batch and all the X0A21C batch have the same IFPI codes within that batch, but the 2 batches have different codes. So there are 4 IFPI codes (2 for the N1222M batch and 2 for the X0A21C batch). I probably explained that in a really awkward way lol Also in the Identifying True Copies section you could add that the font of the inner code and IFPI (on the foil) is important as many bootlegs have the right code but it's in the wrong font (and not mirrored). The copyright symbols on the back of the case are not the proper copy right symbols. The writing in the CD inserts is thinly outlined by black on authentic Origins, most fake Origins don't have this. On the inside artwork of the insert where you can faintly see "these years", on some bootlegs "hes" is really dark and the overall contract of the artwork is not quite right (it's too dark). The CD artwork also is off center and doesn't align on all fake Origin's I've seen. : I got it! Don't worry, that was not awkward at all... but wow! That's brand new info. But it is now occurring to me that it makes total sense. So, it means that only the X0 batch was made in Richmond. It makes me wonder where the first batch was produced. Then, another thing to correct on the Origin page later. In general, I added all your insights to the page. What do you think about it now?
*****Can anyone who owns a copy of the N1 batch PM, please???***** has a N1 batch Origin, you could ask him for the info you need. Also both myself and PJ have posted scans of our Origins (I have the X0 one) in the Origin thread in the Ev Collection section of the forum. We have not posted the inner plastic IFPI's though, for obvious reasons... |
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Post by Marcinho on Dec 17, 2015 1:24:16 GMT -5
I already have your scans as well as PJ's.  I know both codes from your batch as I've got a friend who also has it. And exactly because of this that it is possible to track down the plant in which the CD was pressed. That's why I said that your batch has to have been produced in Richmond. Because there are catalogues on the places where they were pressed and the company responsible for it. And according to these online catalogues, Origin (or any other CD with THAT SPECIFIC COMBINATION OF IFPI/SID CODES) was pressed there. I catalog my whole collection in an Excel spreadsheet with every single detail of each and every one of my 200+ CDs. Including IFPI/SID codes (both of them). So I'm used to searching them online out of curiosity or sometimes to determine where the CD is from in the case of professional bootlegs. That's why I am wondering ... If it's true it's from Richmond, where is the other one from? Or, if they're supposed to be from the same plant and pressed with a difference of less than 3 months, why don't they have the same codes (as it could be expected in a case like this)? Anyway... that's food for thought. I think I need PJ. ... |
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Post by AeternusAmatorius on Dec 17, 2015 11:57:39 GMT -5
I already have your scans as well as PJ's. I know both codes from your batch as I've got a friend who also has it. And exactly because of this that it is possible to track down the plant in which the CD was pressed. That's why I said that your batch has to have been produced in Richmond. Because there are catalogues on the places where they were pressed and the company responsible for it. And according to these online catalogues, Origin (or any other CD with THAT SPECIFIC COMBINATION OF IFPI/SID CODES) was pressed there. I catalog my whole collection in an Excel spreadsheet with every single detail of each and every one of my 200+ CDs. Including IFPI/SID codes (both of them). So I'm used to searching them online out of curiosity or sometimes to determine where the CD is from in the case of professional bootlegs. That's why I am wondering ... If it's true it's from Richmond, where is the other one from? Or, if they're supposed to be from the same plant and pressed with a difference of less than 3 months, why don't they have the same codes (as it could be expected in a case like this)? Anyway... that's food for thought. I think I need PJ. ... Both batches were pressed at CRT in Nashville, as per the into in the Origin Information Thread in Evanescence Collections. CRT - manufacturer BWE0002 - catalog number X0A21C/N1222M - Lot numbers corresponding to each press run. |
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Post by PJ. on Dec 17, 2015 16:44:00 GMT -5
I already have your scans as well as PJ's. I know both codes from your batch as I've got a friend who also has it. And exactly because of this that it is possible to track down the plant in which the CD was pressed. That's why I said that your batch has to have been produced in Richmond. Because there are catalogues on the places where they were pressed and the company responsible for it. And according to these online catalogues, Origin (or any other CD with THAT SPECIFIC COMBINATION OF IFPI/SID CODES) was pressed there. I catalog my whole collection in an Excel spreadsheet with every single detail of each and every one of my 200+ CDs. Including IFPI/SID codes (both of them). So I'm used to searching them online out of curiosity or sometimes to determine where the CD is from in the case of professional bootlegs. That's why I am wondering ... If it's true it's from Richmond, where is the other one from? Or, if they're supposed to be from the same plant and pressed with a difference of less than 3 months, why don't they have the same codes (as it could be expected in a case like this)? Anyway... that's food for thought. I think I need PJ. ... Not sure I understand what I could help you with...you already have my scans. I am abit rusty on this Origin business but feel free to PM and I can help out the best I can. |
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Post by easyway on Dec 17, 2015 20:03:07 GMT -5
First, it says it was delayed. It says nothing about being delayed from a November release. Second, it says "Origin releases in November, get it first." We have no way of knowing when this article was actually written/published, but judging by the way this person is "talking" in the article, it seems like he was forwarded one of the N1222M discs or invited to a listening party. Reviews are normally written about 3 weeks to a month prior to release... My video is having trouble uploading for some reason, but you can YouTube Where Will You Go, and I'm sure you can find the "correct version". As a matter of fact: Here is the version on the authentic Origin: I'd like to hear the version you have though, I'm sure I know what the version is that you have.After listening to your you tube version, I decided to look at my versions more closely, and one matches the video exactly, the other version there is a difference in recording. Towards the end of the song, where "I think" is David Hodges singing in the background "Where Will You Go" is off track from the other version I have and the you tube video above. Where he sings the background lyrics its 1:18-1:15 and 1:03-1:00 with time counting backwards. My version that is different is around the same time frame of the song, but a few seconds after where the "Where Will You Go" begins, in time frame, basically counting backwards in time frame the difference is 1:16 and 1:14 start and 1:00 and :57 seconds ending. Both my versions start at time 0:00:00, with immediate sound. |
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Post by Shin on Dec 17, 2015 22:03:40 GMT -5
First, it says it was delayed. It says nothing about being delayed from a November release. Second, it says "Origin releases in November, get it first." We have no way of knowing when this article was actually written/published, but judging by the way this person is "talking" in the article, it seems like he was forwarded one of the N1222M discs or invited to a listening party. Reviews are normally written about 3 weeks to a month prior to release... My video is having trouble uploading for some reason, but you can YouTube Where Will You Go, and I'm sure you can find the "correct version". As a matter of fact: Here is the version on the authentic Origin: I'd like to hear the version you have though, I'm sure I know what the version is that you have.After listening to your you tube version, I decided to look at my versions more closely, and one matches the video exactly, the other version there is a difference in recording. Towards the end of the song, where "I think" is David Hodges singing in the background "Where Will You Go" is off track from the other version I have and the you tube video above. Where he sings the background lyrics its 1:18-1:15 and 1:03-1:00 with time counting backwards. My version that is different is around the same time frame of the song, but a few seconds after where the "Where Will You Go" begins, in time frame, basically counting backwards in time frame the difference is 1:16 and 1:14 start and 1:00 and :57 seconds ending. Both my versions start at time 0:00:00, with immediate sound. Can you not do as been asked of instead of running around in circles?!?! I'm getting annoyed to having to read your posts when I want to read about actual Ev or Amy-related news, not read about your whiny tantrums as to how you think your Origin is legit. When so many members have stated otherwise it is not. Given you have all the proof in the world you need to verify yours. Yet you ignore and contest that you have the original Origin CD. And that everyone else's is wrong. Even though many here have stayed the information we have is from the original source or makers. Ffs you're driving us all up the wall, we don't care so please stop |
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Post by easyway on Dec 17, 2015 22:48:51 GMT -5
Ok boss!
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Post by Lycrymosa on Dec 18, 2015 2:09:58 GMT -5
Can you not do as been asked of instead of running around in circles?!?! I'm getting annoyed to having to read your posts when I want to read about actual Ev or Amy-related news, not read about your whiny tantrums as to how you think your Origin is legit. When so many members have stated otherwise it is not. Given you have all the proof in the world you need to verify yours. Yet you ignore and contest that you have the original Origin CD. And that everyone else's is wrong. Even though many here have stayed the information we have is from the original source or makers. Ffs you're driving us all up the wall, we don't care so please stop I understand your frustration, but that is what this thread is for, discussing and questioning the Origin LP. So everyone here is free to discuss this topic, and yes perhaps this particular conversation has run it's course, but Demarzi has already made a point about this and we still need to be nice to fellow EvThreaders For new Ev and Amy related news I would look in other parts of the forum. |
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Post by easyway on Dec 18, 2015 13:55:40 GMT -5
Is there anyone out there that can confirm that difference exists?
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Post by Shin on Dec 18, 2015 19:42:58 GMT -5
Can you not do as been asked of instead of running around in circles?!?! I'm getting annoyed to having to read your posts when I want to read about actual Ev or Amy-related news, not read about your whiny tantrums as to how you think your Origin is legit. When so many members have stated otherwise it is not. Given you have all the proof in the world you need to verify yours. Yet you ignore and contest that you have the original Origin CD. And that everyone else's is wrong. Even though many here have stayed the information we have is from the original source or makers. Ffs you're driving us all up the wall, we don't care so please stop I understand your frustration, but that is what this thread is for, discussing and questioning the Origin LP. So everyone here is free to discuss this topic, and yes perhaps this particular conversation has run it's course, but Demarzi has already made a point about this and we still need to be nice to fellow EvThreaders For new Ev and Amy related news I would look in other parts of the forum. Hey, yeh I do apologise a little but I always read through the "recent updated posts" bit on my smartphone rather than look at the whole forum as it is easier and I am sick of having to sieve through pointless nonsense. |
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Post by Ring on Dec 18, 2015 20:17:12 GMT -5
I understand your frustration, but that is what this thread is for, discussing and questioning the Origin LP. So everyone here is free to discuss this topic, and yes perhaps this particular conversation has run it's course, but Demarzi has already made a point about this and we still need to be nice to fellow EvThreaders For new Ev and Amy related news I would look in other parts of the forum. Hey, yeh I do apologise a little but I always read through the "recent updated posts" bit on my smartphone rather than look at the whole forum as it is easier and I am sick of having to sieve through pointless nonsense. Completely agreed. I have trouble understanding why the mods let that convo last as long as it did. |
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Post by easyway on Dec 18, 2015 21:30:07 GMT -5
Its just a discussion, that's all, exactly what this topic is (( ORIGIN )). Nobody was arguing, besides the rude comment? Doesn't new information seem interesting or worth discussing, or am I missing something?
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Post by turdyturderson on Dec 19, 2015 7:00:00 GMT -5
Its just a discussion, that's all, exactly what this topic is (( ORIGIN )). Nobody was arguing, besides the rude comment? Doesn't new information seem interesting or worth discussing, or am I missing something? Sans the inappropriate way it was written, I think their point was, you were kind of beating a dead horse. The facts were already laid out in minute detail. You kept trying to counter it like you hadn't listened to a word they said. That's all. In summary, they gave you evidence of what an original, non-bootleg Origin looks like, and if yours doesn't have that, then it's probably not an original non-bootleg. And you like to think it is, you are free to do so because it is a free country and it is your life. Amy, Ben, David, do they really care? I think they are just happy the music made it out there. |
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Post by easyway on Dec 19, 2015 12:54:49 GMT -5
top40-charts.com/artist.php?aid=3295
Check this article out, some good info. And you like to think it is, you are free to do so because it is a free country and it is your life. Amy, Ben, David, do they really care? I think they are just happy the music made it out there.
That comment doesn't make sense? 
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Post by Ring on Dec 20, 2015 14:48:58 GMT -5
top40-charts.com/artist.php?aid=3295
Check this article out, some good info. And you like to think it is, you are free to do so because it is a free country and it is your life. Amy, Ben, David, do they really care? I think they are just happy the music made it out there.
That comment doesn't make sense? What on Earth? Do you really consider a site that is as random as Top40-charts.com to be reliable about anything? Sorry for dragging this topic out, but I simply can't let such stupidity go without comment. |
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