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Post by DeMarzi on Dec 12, 2015 14:30:22 GMT -5
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Post by easyway on Dec 12, 2015 14:42:50 GMT -5
Just wanted to point out one thing, I found this interesting when reading the True Tunes article posted on Evanescence Reference on the Origin page, the article speaks of a November release that was held back more than once, also the article is written as if he already has heard the album though. What copy was he listening to?
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Post by AeternusAmatorius on Dec 12, 2015 17:25:10 GMT -5
Just wanted to point out one thing, I found this interesting when reading the True Tunes article posted on Evanescence Reference on the Origin page, the article speaks of a November release that was held back more than once, also the article is written as if he already has heard the album though. What copy was he listening to? First, it says it was delayed. It says nothing about being delayed from a November release. Second, it says "Origin releases in November, get it first." We have no way of knowing when this article was actually written/published, but judging by the way this person is "talking" in the article, it seems like he was forwarded one of the N1222M discs or invited to a listening party. Reviews are normally written about 3 weeks to a month prior to release... My video is having trouble uploading for some reason, but you can YouTube Where Will You Go, and I'm sure you can find the "correct version". As a matter of fact: Here is the version on the authentic Origin: I'd like to hear the version you have though, I'm sure I know what the version is that you have. |
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Post by easyway on Dec 12, 2015 20:54:52 GMT -5
I think you misunderstood, the version of "Where Will You Go" I have is exactly the same as that one, the yeah, yeah, yeah part at the end is the (Reprise)? How long is track time for "Anywhere" supposed to be, 5:18 or 6:03? If its 6:03, then what is the yeah, yeah, at the end of "Anywhere"? |
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Post by AeternusAmatorius on Dec 12, 2015 22:17:00 GMT -5
I think you misunderstood, the version of "Where Will You Go" I have is exactly the same as that one, the yeah, yeah, yeah part at the end is the (Reprise)? How long is track time for "Anywhere" supposed to be, 5:18 or 6:03? If its 6:03, then what is the yeah, yeah, at the end of "Anywhere"? Then please refer to the correct song so there is no confusion. "Where Will You Go (Reprise)" is an incorrect term and a term bootleggers use (hmm, makes me wonder...). When one refers to the song as "Where Will You Go (Reprise)" they typically mean Track 5 Where Will You Go as there is an earlier version of Where Will You Go and probably because it seems to be a happier upbeat version - such as those songs in musicals; not the "yeah yeah yeah" bit after Anywhere. Anywhere is 6:03 (iTunes says 6:04). Yes, there is supposed to be that small bit of silence, but I doubt it's meant to be a hidden track. Also, The Origin that is pictured on Discogs, is a bootleg, for the second time (said this once before on EvBoard). The two that are on sale there too are undoubtedly fake. |
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Post by easyway on Dec 12, 2015 23:03:02 GMT -5
Definition of reprise is something that is repeated from the opening material. Wouldn't "Where Will You Go" just be part of the song? The yeah, yeah, part is repeated in "Anywhere", after 5 seconds of silence and the song ending, sounds extra.
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Post by DarkFlare89 on Dec 13, 2015 1:06:43 GMT -5
I think you misunderstood, the version of "Where Will You Go" I have is exactly the same as that one, the yeah, yeah, yeah part at the end is the (Reprise)? How long is track time for "Anywhere" supposed to be, 5:18 or 6:03? If its 6:03, then what is the yeah, yeah, at the end of "Anywhere"? So, you're talking about this right? -2004-back.jpg/792px-Origin_(re-release)-2004-back.jpg) Okay so here is the scoop. Back in 2004 when people really couldn't buy things like this over the internet (like they can now), people on EvBoard, My Last Breath forums, French BMTL forums and so forth wondered what exactly WWYG (Reprise) was. I mean, YouTube didn't exist so it wasn't like people could just look up the bootleg and see what it was the bootleggers were talking about, right? People (and I admit, including myself) assumed that WWYG (Reprise) was the 'yeah yeah' part of Anywhere, because after all what ELSE could it have been after Anywhere? People assumed that the bootleggers simply cut the 'yeah yeah' part of Anywhere and made it a separate track (i.e. had a No Reprise version of Anywhere as Track 8 and a separated 'yeah yeahs' as Track 9 and called it the WWYG Reprise version). This is why on some old discographies you have people denote Anywhere as (Anywhere + WWYG Reprise) because people started associating the 'yeah yeahs' as WWYG Reprise. I think someone from the Field of Innocence forums even made one for me because I wanted to hear what such a thing sounded like (or at least, I downloaded it from somewhere). The KEY thing here however is that we were mistaken. As Double A has stated, on the 2003-2004 (i.e. Skull) bootleg of Origin, the FALLEN versions of Whisper/Imaginary/MI and the EP version of WWYG was used instead of the Origin ones (or something to that effect, right Double A?). So what was listed as WWYG for Track 5 was the EP version. So what was the WWYG Reprise that they were calling, you ask? They put the ORIGIN version of the song as Track 9 - meaning after Anywhere (in its entirety) was played, WWYG Origin played as Track 9 - the bootleggers called THAT the WWYG Reprise. Us forum people, however, could never have imagined such a thing since why would we think the EP version would be on a bootleg of Origin? And even the few people on EvBoard who had the bootleg only talked about how the Fallen versions of the songs were on it, but made little to no mention that the EP WWYG was there as well - so of course people were confused! We soon realized the bootleggers would do stupid things like this all the time, but I digress. And yes, Anywhere is suppose to be that six minute duration you are talking about. Aaanndd that's all a bit of history for you all  Definition of reprise is something that is repeated from the opening material. Wouldn't "Where Will You Go" just be part of the song? The yeah, yeah, part is repeated in "Anywhere", after 5 seconds of silence and the song ending, sounds extra. The bootleggers are stupid and do stupid things. Even in Death (Rough Mix) is one of them. The various edits of Before the Dawn is another. Forgive Me being on Not For Your Ears is another as well. There are tons of things they do for heaven-knows-why reasons. This is also why people quickly assumed what the bootleggers were referring to as a reprise was the 'yeah yeahs.' It makes logical sense, but in fact, on the bootleg it is just the ORIGIN version. I know it "sounds" like it was something extra or hidden or whatever like AOTS, but Anywhere always had that little extra bit after the song fades out. I vaguely (very vaguely) recall David or Ben talking about how corny they find the 'yeah yeahs' portion of that song, not to mention the song as a whole (but I digress again  ). Hope that cleared some things! |
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Post by easyway on Dec 13, 2015 13:03:15 GMT -5
Are the bootlegs like shown in picture above CDR's?
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Post by Marcinho on Dec 15, 2015 18:19:00 GMT -5
Not really. They are factory pressed unofficial releases.
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Post by AeternusAmatorius on Dec 15, 2015 23:42:57 GMT -5
Are the bootlegs like shown in picture above CDR's? What are you talking about? Do you mean the 2003 bootleg release of Origin with the skulls and the weird thing on the back? No. It's a pressed CD with no IFPI number; a bootleg, see my pictures. It was made in Europe. There's also another bootleg made in Russia with the same track listing but with the 2000 Origin cover art. So, if we're being technical about word meanings, then on this 2003 bootleg of Origin Demise is technically Field Of Innocence (Reprise). DarkFlare89: Sorry for the late response. But yes. That bootleg has Fallen versions of Whisper and My Immortal (Track 4 My Immortal, that is) on it. Origin is merged into the Fallen version of Whisper. Track 5 Where Will You Go is the 1998 version. Track 8 is the 6:03 Anywhere. Track 9 Where Will You Go (Reprise) [hey! Whaddya know!!!!]. Before the Dawn doesn't have those little blips in the beginning. Missing has a weird skip in it. It also has some weird volume thing going on with the drums in the background. Heart Shaped Box is obviously from the Going Under singles. Attachments:
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Post by easyway on Dec 16, 2015 0:34:55 GMT -5
I noticed Evanescence Reference Origin page was edited from start to finish, some of the information is very vague with no sources backing it up to be true. If there is actual sources from reputable websites I myself would be curious to see them.
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Post by AeternusAmatorius on Dec 16, 2015 1:06:39 GMT -5
There are only a few things I find a bit "off putting" on the Origin Page of EvRef. Also, I'm not sure mods on EvBoard will be able to point anyone on the right direction to someone who has an authentic copy of Origin.
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Post by Lycrymosa on Dec 16, 2015 1:14:15 GMT -5
Also the part that says "Both batches have the same IFPI codes" is not right. Each batch has it's own unique IFPI codes e.g. all the N1222M batch have the same IFPI codes within that batch and all the X0A21C batch have the same IFPI codes within that batch, but the 2 batches have different codes. So there are 4 IFPI codes (2 for the N1222M batch and 2 for the X0A21C batch). I probably explained that in a really awkward way lol
Also in the Identifying True Copies section you could add that the font of the inner code and IFPI (on the foil) is important as many bootlegs have the right code but it's in the wrong font (and not mirrored). The copyright symbols on the back of the case are not the proper copy right symbols. The writing in the CD inserts is thinly outlined by black on authentic Origins, most fake Origins don't have this. On the inside artwork of the insert where you can faintly see "these years", on some bootlegs "hes" is really dark and the overall contract of the artwork is not quite right (it's too dark). The CD artwork also is off center and doesn't align on all fake Origin's I've seen.
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Post by Marcinho on Dec 16, 2015 23:51:46 GMT -5
I noticed Evanescence Reference Origin page was edited from start to finish, some of the information is very vague with no sources backing it up to be true. If there is actual sources from reputable websites I myself would be curious to see them. I edited the page myself, easyway . By all means, please elaborate on what you mean by "vague" and I'll make sure I'll try to be more specific there or explain what you don't understand in simple words to you. And regarding the sources, I'm pretty sure the other guys here can help improve the page there with reliable information, instead of collecting any crappy info posted on inaccurate websites (pretty much like what you're trying to do on Discogs right now to use MTV's super inaccurate website to justify that your fake Origin was pressed on January 1st, 2000 before everything else because so says the unreliable website). So, once again, by all means, I am totally opened to suggestions. Including suggestions on how to back up the information there with sources. And by "sources", I mean ACCURATE ones.  There are only a few things I find a bit "off putting" on the Origin Page of EvRef. Also, I'm not sure mods on EvBoard will be able to point anyone on the right direction to someone who has an authentic copy of Origin. I thought it was better not to feather our own nest mentioning only this forum. I myself haven't been to EB since 2012, so I don't know the situation there and who the mods might be. Do you think it's best to keep just Evthreads there, then? Besides, do you have an EvRef account? If so, can you help me edit the page as most of this recent info came from your own investigations? If not, please, tell me what's odd (either here or PM me) and I can correct it for us. Also the part that says "Both batches have the same IFPI codes" is not right. Each batch has it's own unique IFPI codes e.g. all the N1222M batch have the same IFPI codes within that batch and all the X0A21C batch have the same IFPI codes within that batch, but the 2 batches have different codes. So there are 4 IFPI codes (2 for the N1222M batch and 2 for the X0A21C batch). I probably explained that in a really awkward way lol Also in the Identifying True Copies section you could add that the font of the inner code and IFPI (on the foil) is important as many bootlegs have the right code but it's in the wrong font (and not mirrored). The copyright symbols on the back of the case are not the proper copy right symbols. The writing in the CD inserts is thinly outlined by black on authentic Origins, most fake Origins don't have this. On the inside artwork of the insert where you can faintly see "these years", on some bootlegs "hes" is really dark and the overall contract of the artwork is not quite right (it's too dark). The CD artwork also is off center and doesn't align on all fake Origin's I've seen. : I got it! Don't worry, that was not awkward at all... but wow! That's brand new info. But it is now occurring to me that it makes total sense. So, it means that only the X0 batch was made in Richmond. It makes me wonder where the first batch was produced. Then, another thing to correct on the Origin page later. In general, I added all your insights to the page. What do you think about it now?
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Post by AeternusAmatorius on Dec 17, 2015 0:14:02 GMT -5
Marcinho: I've PMed you about a few things. I do have an account on EvRef but I suck at the way it needs to be edited. Also, both batches of Origin were pressed in Nashville and 4 IFPI codes (2 for each pressing) isn't new. It's in the Origin Information Thread. I will try to help edit. If I get stuck, I'll PM you. I just really, REALLY suck at editing Wikipedia stuff.
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