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Post by senzafine on Jun 18, 2021 13:17:01 GMT -5
Far From Heaven has deep meaning for me. I went through something similar to what Amy went through when she wrote this song, and it totally punches me in the heart when I listen to it. Part of Me as well, actually. So one song has lyrics that you care about, and the rest is just blah, right? What specific lines in Far From Me have any meaning to you? I didn’t say anything was blah, I gave examples of two songs that have a deep meaning to me. What means something to one person may not mean anything at all to another. Because we’re all different and have different experiences and interpretations, right? There are definitely one or two songs on the album I skip, but it’s not because the lyrics aren’t deep enough (there are songs on every album that wouldn’t make my playlist). I think they made a conscious decision to move away from the melodramatic and go more “traditional rock”. I happen to like both styles. I kind of get what you’re saying. As a whole, I love the album for what it is. Do I think it’s as special as The Open Door? No. All of the lyrics of this particular song have meaning for me. I lost someone important basically a year to the day I heard the song, and I went through the same thoughts and emotions that Amy is presenting in the lyrics - being broken so much by grief that you start questioning existence itself.
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Post by Rarkphoenix on Jun 18, 2021 16:07:20 GMT -5
It goes without saying that what feels hollow and soulless to one person can be lifechanging to another. I've got quite a few friends who mock me for my love of Evanescence (which to be fair I completely egg-on and fuel because who doesn't love poking fun at their own eccentricity?) and I completely get why they don't get it. They see me as this deep, complex person who's weirdly infatuated with that cheesy faux-goth pop group from the early 00s and it doesn't add up to them. Then they'll learn a little more about me, my demons, what I've survived and how I view the world around me, they'll learn a bit more about the band who've stayed with me for nearly two decades and suddenly it'll all make sense.
I think that's it. It's healthy to listen to and learn from those you may disagree with at face-value. There's the old saying that the more you understand an adversary, the more you begin to love them and I think that's true. And sometimes it's possible to get something incredibly profound out of a song that was never even intended to be read that way. One of my favourite things about music is that once it's out there, it takes on new meanings, it grows and evolves and becomes something entirely different for each person who experiences it, whether that be something entirely forgettable and throwaway or something truly lifechanging.
I dunno, probably just my usual nonsensical ramblings, but reading through this thread and seeing the passion you all have for this record, but targetted through the lens of everything from frustration to happiness inspired me to type this out. All of these opinions are equally valid - just remember to listen as well as you speak.
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Post by darn on Jun 18, 2021 18:33:00 GMT -5
*cough* lost in paradise is some of Amy’s most shallow lyrics *cough* love the song and parts of the lyrics but “run aways” “let me gos” “falling” “I’m brokens” these are not meaningful words in an Evanescence song. Part of Me is also guilty of “let me go” and “drowning”, but the verses and chorus really make up for it.
While I think TBT shows a lack of passion on her part, there are many lyrics that are more thoughtful than they might appear at first. I speak mainly of WOY, TGIO, FFH, and POM.
Far From Heaven is special for the stark honesty of it. I always see any ev song with piano get compared to My Immortal, but compare the vague platitudes that are literally about no one in MI to Amy expressing how all this wallowing in darkness and pain has had the legitimate consequence of losing that connection with her faith and light. Plus the explicit references to her loss feel more real than they did in Hello or Like You because of Hello’s adolescent qualities and Like You’s big theatrical production. I’ve also made a lengthy post or two about how it ties so well into Part of Me.
“Change me to something I believe in” is deeper and more universal than almost the entirety of the last three albums.
I may be in the minority, but I consider WOY to be the most compete and ultimately best song on an album of songs that I feel aren’t 100% there. Lyrically it is unique for Evanescence. Again guilty of “drowning”, but Amy’s gonna Amy lol. There’s a sort of rose tinted sentimentality to the song, but in a tragic way. Instead of just saying “bad things happen I’m sad”, she describes what it was like I’m happier times, which makes it more poignant when she says she can’t move on and is frozen in time. It gives meaning to the phrase “frozen in time”, as opposed to it just being another vaguely sad lyric.
These songs and Feeding the Dark are really the only songs I listen to at this point.
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Post by arlieimperfection on Jun 18, 2021 20:27:02 GMT -5
^ At the end of the day there are only so many ways to express similar ideas without breaking out a thesaurus and making a song incapable of being listened to. There's only so many words in the English language, imo.
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Post by jerevemy on Jun 19, 2021 3:50:30 GMT -5
*cough* lost in paradise is some of Amy’s most shallow lyrics *cough* love the song and parts of the lyrics but “run aways” “let me gos” “falling” “I’m brokens” these are not meaningful words in an Evanescence song. Part of Me is also guilty of “let me go” and “drowning”, but the verses and chorus really make up for it. While I think TBT shows a lack of passion on her part, there are many lyrics that are more thoughtful than they might appear at first. I speak mainly of WOY, TGIO, FFH, and POM. Far From Heaven is special for the stark honesty of it. I always see any ev song with piano get compared to My Immortal, but compare the vague platitudes that are literally about no one in MI to Amy expressing how all this wallowing in darkness and pain has had the legitimate consequence of losing that connection with her faith and light. Plus the explicit references to her loss feel more real than they did in Hello or Like You because of Hello’s adolescent qualities and Like You’s big theatrical production. I’ve also made a lengthy post or two about how it ties so well into Part of Me. “Change me to something I believe in” is deeper and more universal than almost the entirety of the last three albums. I may be in the minority, but I consider WOY to be the most compete and ultimately best song on an album of songs that I feel aren’t 100% there. Lyrically it is unique for Evanescence. Again guilty of “drowning”, but Amy’s gonna Amy lol. There’s a sort of rose tinted sentimentality to the song, but in a tragic way. Instead of just saying “bad things happen I’m sad”, she describes what it was like I’m happier times, which makes it more poignant when she says she can’t move on and is frozen in time. It gives meaning to the phrase “frozen in time”, as opposed to it just being another vaguely sad lyric. These songs and Feeding the Dark are really the only songs I listen to at this point. LOST IN PARADISE is genius and I can explain why: It is about Amy leaving Evanescence for her new life, as she wanted to move on. The Paradise she is lost in, is being married and living a "normal" life, finally getting out of the Evanescence world. She wanted to move past her depressing lyrics and her depressing past. But something just isn't right. Why is she still lost? The chorus repeats how she has nothing left in this new life and where she should feel satisfied, she still has that wanting for more. She then has this realization that she can't leave the Evanescence world nor her past, no matter how much she wanted to move on. She can't just be normal like her fans are not normal because "I'm just as scared as you". "Shadows of you" is the memories of her fans in her mind calling her to comeback. She is stuck in the Evanescence world and can never leave it. "Because they won't let me go" The fans won't allow her to move on, and then "TIL I HAVE NOTHING LEFT". Here the chorus has a whole new meaning because of the word "Til", which she is saying she will continue to be the singer of the band FOR US until she can can longer physically do it. Sorry bud, that is one great song! So one song has lyrics that you care about, and the rest is just blah, right? What specific lines in Far From Me have any meaning to you? I didn’t say anything was blah, I gave examples of two songs that have a deep meaning to me. What means something to one person may not mean anything at all to another. Because we’re all different and have different experiences and interpretations, right? There are definitely one or two songs on the album I skip, but it’s not because the lyrics aren’t deep enough (there are songs on every album that wouldn’t make my playlist). I think they made a conscious decision to move away from the melodramatic and go more “traditional rock”. I happen to like both styles. I kind of get what you’re saying. As a whole, I love the album for what it is. Do I think it’s as special as The Open Door? No. All of the lyrics of this particular song have meaning for me. I lost someone important basically a year to the day I heard the song, and I went through the same thoughts and emotions that Amy is presenting in the lyrics - being broken so much by grief that you start questioning existence itself. You know, I don't think there is a single song on Fallen, TOD and Ev3 that I don't think are great that I would tend to skip. Except Bring Me To Life, haha. So, what is she talking about in Far From Me? Is she saying her brother is now in heaven and she feels unworthy to reach him there because she is filled with darkness? I feel like this album doesn't;t speak to me, like I watching a band play and I am on the outside rather than being a part of it. What about the bridges? Don't you think the classic bridges that Evanescence is known for is totally missing on this album? I wonder if Terry was the key to making the songs more complete with his guitar melodies and co-writing. There aren't too many catchy guitar riffs on this and oddly very little Amy on piano. You notice this? ^ At the end of the day there are only so many ways to express similar ideas without breaking out a thesaurus and making a song incapable of being listened to. There's only so many words in the English language, imo. But I am not clear what the ideas on this album are trying to get across. Do you? While I think TBT shows a lack of passion on her part, there are many lyrics that are more thoughtful than they might appear at first. I speak mainly of WOY, TGIO, FFH, and POM. Far From Heaven is special for the stark honesty of it. I always see any ev song with piano get compared to My Immortal, but compare the vague platitudes that are literally about no one in MI to Amy expressing how all this wallowing in darkness and pain has had the legitimate consequence of losing that connection with her faith and light. Plus the explicit references to her loss feel more real than they did in Hello or Like You because of Hello’s adolescent qualities and Like You’s big theatrical production. I’ve also made a lengthy post or two about how it ties so well into Part of Me. “Change me to something I believe in” is deeper and more universal than almost the entirety of the last three albums. I may be in the minority, but I consider WOY to be the most compete and ultimately best song on an album of songs that I feel aren’t 100% there. Lyrically it is unique for Evanescence. Again guilty of “drowning”, but Amy’s gonna Amy lol. There’s a sort of rose tinted sentimentality to the song, but in a tragic way. Instead of just saying “bad things happen I’m sad”, she describes what it was like I’m happier times, which makes it more poignant when she says she can’t move on and is frozen in time. It gives meaning to the phrase “frozen in time”, as opposed to it just being another vaguely sad lyric. These songs and Feeding the Dark are really the only songs I listen to at this point. I am not sure what Far From Heaven is trying to say. Your 3 letter code is not easy to decipher. HAHA I have to look them up. I find the lyrics to Wasted on You weird. I don't need drugs, I'm already six feet low means what exactly? Obviously 6 feet low is an analogy to being buried 6 feet deep, but "I don't need drugs?" Huh? Frozen in time is a good phrase, I like that one. "Change me to something I believe in" is good, but come on, they have so many deep songs. Did you read the lyrics? I find listening without reading them, is not so easy to follow. Also where are the classic Ev bridges and why Amy so little piano here? Post merged - Rark (:
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2021 4:30:28 GMT -5
Stop filling this thread with bitterness and off topic things, it's getting annoying
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Post by arlieimperfection on Jun 19, 2021 9:09:28 GMT -5
I didn’t say anything was blah, I gave examples of two songs that have a deep meaning to me. What means something to one person may not mean anything at all to another. Because we’re all different and have different experiences and interpretations, right? There are definitely one or two songs on the album I skip, but it’s not because the lyrics aren’t deep enough (there are songs on every album that wouldn’t make my playlist). I think they made a conscious decision to move away from the melodramatic and go more “traditional rock”. I happen to like both styles. I kind of get what you’re saying. As a whole, I love the album for what it is. Do I think it’s as special as The Open Door? No. All of the lyrics of this particular song have meaning for me. I lost someone important basically a year to the day I heard the song, and I went through the same thoughts and emotions that Amy is presenting in the lyrics - being broken so much by grief that you start questioning existence itself. You know, I don't think there is a single song on Fallen, TOD and Ev3 that I don't think are great that I would tend to skip. Except Bring Me To Life, haha. So, what is she talking about in Far From Me? Is she saying her brother is now in heaven and she feels unworthy to reach him there because she is filled with darkness? I feel like this album doesn't;t speak to me, like I watching a band play and I am on the outside rather than being a part of it. What about the bridges? Don't you think the classic bridges that Evanescence is known for is totally missing on this album? I wonder if Terry was the key to making the songs more complete with his guitar melodies and co-writing. There aren't too many catchy guitar riffs on this and oddly very little Amy on piano. You notice this? Far From Heaven is about the crisis of faith Amy had after losing her brother, who passed away in 2018. He suffered from epilepsy for most of his life and was very young when he died. He and Amy had a very good relationship, they were so close so she just lost her best friend basically. She's had loss in her life before (her sister) which just further exacerbates the feelings. It's the last song that was written for the album. "Far from heaven" the actual phrase I think is trying to express the idea that she is afraid that she will not be able to communicate with God after being estranged from a relationship with him for so long. Amy is a Christian, but it is not a fact that she discusses very much nor does she necessarily try to bring religion into her work. However, her faith was very important in the writing of this particular song it seems.
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Post by senzafine on Jun 19, 2021 12:23:37 GMT -5
I didn’t say anything was blah, I gave examples of two songs that have a deep meaning to me. What means something to one person may not mean anything at all to another. Because we’re all different and have different experiences and interpretations, right? There are definitely one or two songs on the album I skip, but it’s not because the lyrics aren’t deep enough (there are songs on every album that wouldn’t make my playlist). I think they made a conscious decision to move away from the melodramatic and go more “traditional rock”. I happen to like both styles. I kind of get what you’re saying. As a whole, I love the album for what it is. Do I think it’s as special as The Open Door? No. All of the lyrics of this particular song have meaning for me. I lost someone important basically a year to the day I heard the song, and I went through the same thoughts and emotions that Amy is presenting in the lyrics - being broken so much by grief that you start questioning existence itself. You know, I don't think there is a single song on Fallen, TOD and Ev3 that I don't think are great that I would tend to skip. Except Bring Me To Life, haha. So, what is she talking about in Far From Me? Is she saying her brother is now in heaven and she feels unworthy to reach him there because she is filled with darkness? I feel like this album doesn't;t speak to me, like I watching a band play and I am on the outside rather than being a part of it. What about the bridges? Don't you think the classic bridges that Evanescence is known for is totally missing on this album? I wonder if Terry was the key to making the songs more complete with his guitar melodies and co-writing. There aren't too many catchy guitar riffs on this and oddly very little Amy on piano. You notice this? No, I think what she’s saying in that song is that she’s experienced so much tragedy and loss that she doesn’t know if she can “see your light anymore” (ie God, the universe, hope, whatever), because she’s spent so much of her life, from a child into adulthood, “in the dark” of these kinds of feelings. She’s describing the struggle of balancing any kind of faith and hope for the future (and the afterlife) with the pain and loss life seems to throw at her. How can she have faith in God when she’s lost so much and been broken over and over again by loss? That’s what the song is about. She’s “begging to believe” but feels “so far from heaven”. She’s actually having quite an existential crisis in this song. Bridges. I don’t think they’re totally missing but there are definitely fewer of them, I agree.
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Post by darn on Jun 19, 2021 12:51:59 GMT -5
^ At the end of the day there are only so many ways to express similar ideas without breaking out a thesaurus and making a song incapable of being listened to. There's only so many words in the English language, imo. To an extent, maybe, but I gotta hard disagree on that one. There are examples on TBT and throughout the albums of Amy expressing herself in more complete ways than “drowning, falling, pain, etc etc”. To me, if an artist isn’t capable of writing something more complex, yet still musically sound, then they are a weak lyricist... and if they find themselves unable to think of a different way to express the same emotion and keep using the same word over and over again song after song... then they should write a song about something else..... I don’t believe she is a weak lyricist, but I can see the difference in songs where she really had something to say, and songs where she didn’t know what to say. The climax of Broken Pieces Shine really takes the cake though. She said “uuuuuuuuuuuh”. There are brilliant lyricists out there who write songs that are Beautifully composed, but can also gut you emotionally without drowning or pulling out a thesaurus. Also on the subject of FFH and Amy’s religion, I think it makes the song even better that she rarely speaks about her beliefs in her music or publicly. She became politically outspoken on this album, but she also has a moment here where she speaks up about her spiritual beliefs and how it grief really can make you question if there is a god. I’ve never been religious, but about six months ago I was hit by another driver, had part of my innards shredded, was hospitalized for a week, bed ridden for a month, and came very close in the ER to losing my life. These sort of things really make you think about life, death, the afterlife, and I really believe more than most Ev songs, she felt FFH real DEEP.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2021 19:41:04 GMT -5
The intention with that this user came it's perfectly clear, anything you say to him he will be like "but what about this?", it's more a situation of "justify to me why you like this album and I will argue why you are wrong". It's stupid and pointless.
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Post by JohnnyScott on Jun 20, 2021 9:05:36 GMT -5
Evanescence doesn't usually release a lot of music videos but I really wanted a music video for Far From Heaven.
If there isn't going to be more singles I wonder if Amy will release the 3 songs now at the end of the year or leave it to 2022.
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Post by arlieimperfection on Jun 20, 2021 10:02:36 GMT -5
Evanescence doesn't usually release a lot of music videos but I really wanted a music video for Far From Heaven. If there isn't going to be more singles I wonder if Amy will release the 3 songs now at the end of the year or leave it to 2022. I don't think those three songs were finished besides the one Tim had written.
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Post by Thomas on Jun 20, 2021 14:02:06 GMT -5
Evanescence doesn't usually release a lot of music videos but I really wanted a music video for Far From Heaven. If there isn't going to be more singles I wonder if Amy will release the 3 songs now at the end of the year or leave it to 2022. I guess they're done with singles/videos for TBT. Now they will focus on the tour that's been pushed back a zillion times due to Covid. haha. On the outtakes, hm... from what we can tell from Amy's interviews, they are unfinished, have the band parts recorded and no lyrics/vocals.
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Post by Titanic on Jul 12, 2021 14:53:09 GMT -5
Speaking of Perfect Dream, when on Earth will Find a Way see the light of day? I've been listening to the recording of it for years. Better than nothing, at least it's the song in its entirety!
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Post by JohnnyScott on Jul 23, 2021 7:29:08 GMT -5
Amy could either release a deluxe version of the bitter truth, they have 3 songs that didn't make the album. I hope there's time for her to finish this material.
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