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Post by PJ. on Aug 1, 2019 22:46:00 GMT -6
I don't understand why Amy didn't just finish recording this and release it. Especially now that Windup is out. They have so much material just waiting around, and Amy even said a bunch that they have a pile of stuff. I don't think we'll see this material in the new 5th album, maybe in a solo album or soundtrack. In 2015 she said she plans to finish some of those songs and release them, but we don't know when... I hope she keeps this "plan" in mind. Haha. I'm dying to hear Perfect Dream and hoping it will eventually see the light of day. I feel sad for Amy because she was being true to her art back in 2010, and the label rejected the album and wanted a "Fallen part 2." In many interviews she said that even though it sounded different, it was indeed an Ev record. "It wouldn't be an Evanescence album if it didn't sound somewhat like Evanescence."As for the new album, I'm afraid Jen will bring a more heavy metal influence to the band. I'm into more experimental, alternative, indie music at the moment. I listen Synthesis more than the other albums. I hope Take Cover finds a home in the 5th album though. And I hope Amy didn't move away from the "broken record" after all these years. I think it's been a missed opportunity not to finish the songs that were originally intended for the third EV album. I think since the break from Wind-Up, they could have been released as an EP or just individually over time. I still have SOME hope that Perfect Dream will make it's way onto the new album, but who knows. I'm just excited to hear they are writing and working on it. |
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Post by mrmellow on Aug 2, 2019 12:33:49 GMT -6
I know there's always a lot of stuff about who owns the rights to songs that are recorded and what happens to them, even when they're unreleased or b-sides. I wonder if Amy even has the legal permission to release any of the stuff from the Lillywhite era.
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Post by imnotbroken118 on Aug 2, 2019 16:47:29 GMT -6
I know there's always a lot of stuff about who owns the rights to songs that are recorded and what happens to them, even when they're unreleased or b-sides. I wonder if Amy even has the legal permission to release any of the stuff from the Lillywhite era. It'd depend on Ev's contract with Wind-Up. I highly doubt they negotiated owning their master recordings with their first record deal. Anyways, some contracts will give artists rights to the masters back after they recoup costs. Some contracts have time periods that expire that might allow the artist the rights to their masters. Some labels tend to screw artists out of their masters. If Amy doesn't have ownership or control of what she recorded while signed to Wind-Up, she could try to buy them back or just re-record the songs. Publishing rights also plays a role in this too since those rights cover the actual manufacturing things to play the songs from. If I remember correctly, she said Baby Did a Bad Bad Thing was intended for this album but it was reworked for Recover so from that perspective I would think she doesn't have the rights. But then again, she has been able to create and release the vinyl collection and re-release Fallen on vinyl recently so so might have the rights? I took a course on this for my music business degree and I still get confused with the ins and outs which is why music lawyers get paid the big bucks. |
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Post by arlieimperfection on Aug 2, 2019 17:32:31 GMT -6
^ That doesn’t make sense because all tracks under Wind-Up are now listed as under Concord. Unless you just mean the Lilywhite stuff specifically.
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Post by JohnnyScott on Aug 2, 2019 17:44:05 GMT -6
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Post by imnotbroken118 on Aug 2, 2019 18:16:27 GMT -6
^ That doesn’t make sense because all tracks under Wind-Up are now listed as under Concord. Unless you just mean the Lilywhite stuff specifically. So I've seen articles that Wind-Up sold the catalogue to Concord Music Group and I've seen articles that CMG actually owns Wind-Up now. Regardless, any recordings under contract, from Fallen - Ev3, including the songs from these sessions, would be included within the collection and whoever owns them now would need to be involved in order to release them. Looking into it closer, CMG and Bicycle are affiliated. Articles say the catalogue was purchased shortly after the band was released from contract and Bicycle as been the active publisher for releases. CMG would still have to give their blessing to release the recordings though since it seems they are the current owners of them. |
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Post by arlieimperfection on Aug 2, 2019 18:37:28 GMT -6
I can see why Amy would think that it’s just simpler to not use anything that isn’t finished. Hi-Lo was already mostly done, and I think Take Cover as well. IYDM was from the TOD era recordings. If we never see the rest of that come to fruition I don’t think we should blame Amy for that.
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Post by Thomas on Aug 3, 2019 17:18:56 GMT -6
I know there's always a lot of stuff about who owns the rights to songs that are recorded and what happens to them, even when they're unreleased or b-sides. I wonder if Amy even has the legal permission to release any of the stuff from the Lillywhite era. It'd depend on Ev's contract with Wind-Up. I highly doubt they negotiated owning their master recordings with their first record deal. Anyways, some contracts will give artists rights to the masters back after they recoup costs. Some contracts have time periods that expire that might allow the artist the rights to their masters. Some labels tend to screw artists out of their masters. If Amy doesn't have ownership or control of what she recorded while signed to Wind-Up, she could try to buy them back or just re-record the songs. Publishing rights also plays a role in this too since those rights cover the actual manufacturing things to play the songs from. If I remember correctly, she said Baby Did a Bad Bad Thing was intended for this album but it was reworked for Recover so from that perspective I would think she doesn't have the rights. But then again, she has been able to create and release the vinyl collection and re-release Fallen on vinyl recently so so might have the rights? I took a course on this for my music business degree and I still get confused with the ins and outs which is why music lawyers get paid the big bucks. She does own the recordings from the Lillywhite era. When she released "Baby did a Bad, Bad Thing", she made a post on her Facebook about the story she has with this cover (she was asked to record it for a film but it was rejected) and how she planned to put it on Ev's third album produced by Steve Lillywhite. She also said she owns those recordings and plans to release them someday. Her post: She released this cover, released the studio version of the "Lost Whispers" intro and re-did "Hi-Lo" for Synthesis. We got three songs from the "broken record", apart from those reworked for the self-titled album. We don't know the title, unless she revealed it on EvClub. However, we are only allowed to mention the title "Perfect Dream" (which is the Stompin' Steve song) here. Fans have been calling this piano piece "Another Puzzle of the Piece" because Amy posted this Twitter video with this title. |
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Post by imnotbroken118 on Aug 4, 2019 11:00:44 GMT -6
I had never seen that post. I don't FB. Cool to know she does own them.
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Post by Thomas on Sept 3, 2019 17:41:35 GMT -6
In this 2013 interview, Steve says at 46:50: |
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Post by PJ. on Sept 4, 2019 13:06:44 GMT -6
^It's really a shame that after all these years we've only got to hear bits and pieces of the broken record. Since the break from Windup, EV could have released them as an digital EP.
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Post by Thomas on Sept 4, 2019 14:43:02 GMT -6
^It's really a shame that after all these years we've only got to hear bits and pieces of the broken record. Since the break from Windup, EV could have released them as an digital EP. I'd been thinking about the same thing lately. It could have been part of the Lost Whispers EP or only as an digital EP, but I think it's just a matter of finishing the recordings as Amy stated they are unfinished. I suppose they have pretty much a lot of recorded material/rough mixes because they spent 3 months (February-April 2010) in the studio with Steve. The band also spent 3 months (April-June 2011) with Nick and they recorded 16 tracks. We have to take into account that Amy is a perfectionist, so things take time. She doesn't put something out until she think it's perfect. I'd love to hear the original version of MoS (even though Amy stated that the Underworld remix sounds like the original demo), full 'Perfect Dream', the drum work of Questove on 'You Got a to to Learn' (Something tells me it's got a trip-hop sound, drawing from Massive Attack's 2010 album Heligoland), that piano song 'another piece of the puzzle' and studio version of 'Take Cover'. We know it's a 12-track LP (confirmed by Steve), whereas this 2010 interview states it's 16 songs. We'll have to want until those songs find their home on future releases. |
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Post by PJ. on Sept 4, 2019 19:10:53 GMT -6
^It's really a shame that after all these years we've only got to hear bits and pieces of the broken record. Since the break from Windup, EV could have released them as an digital EP. I'd been thinking about the same thing lately. It could have been part of the Lost Whispers EP or only as an digital EP, but I think it's just a matter of finishing the recordings as Amy stated they are unfinished. I suppose they have pretty much a lot of recorded material/rough mixes because they spent 3 months (February-April 2010) in the studio with Steve. The band also spent 3 months (April-June 2011) with Nick and they recorded 16 tracks. We have to take into account that Amy is a perfectionist, so things take time. She doesn't put something out until she think it's perfect. I'd love to hear the original version of MoS (even though Amy stated that the Underworld remix sounds like the original demo), full 'Perfect Dream', the drum work of Questove on 'You Got a to to Learn' (Something tells me it's got a trip-hop sound, drawing from Massive Attack's 2010 album Heligoland), that piano song 'another piece of the puzzle' and studio version of 'Take Cover'. We know it's a 12-track LP (confirmed by Steve), whereas this 2010 interview states it's 16 songs. We'll have to want until those songs find their home on future releases. Amy is so old school. I think releasing the songs digitally would be great, like how Recover was. Especially during album breaks. I know they are touring now but. For sure though, I would love to hear the songs and how they were originally intended, cause I always wonder how it would have been if they went with those tracks and not EV3. |
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Post by carolexodus on Jan 17, 2020 22:29:15 GMT -6
Just came across this while going through my timeline.
Damn, Perfect Dream still sounds amazing after all these years. I wish we could hear the whole thing.
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Post by arlieimperfection on Jan 18, 2020 8:31:09 GMT -6
As much as we want to hear those songs, I imagine there is a good reason that we won't. Like the fact that it's been almost a decade and we are likely to get far better things at this point.
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