dekker87
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Post by dekker87 on Aug 18, 2017 15:43:53 GMT -5
Just listened to the download I got for buying my ticket. And it sounds much better to me than the one that I listened to yesterday. I don't know, the vocals sounded too loud, and for some reason it sounded like the electronic drums were like a half-second off. But I don't hear it in this version, I love it even more than I already did.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2017 16:01:39 GMT -5
I like parts of it... I don't like the way the instrumentation is put together in the verses... but maybe it will grow on me. To answer the question on the deepening vocals, both males and females go through what is essentially a 'second puberty' of sorts, where their voices mature for a final time somewhere in your late-30's / early-40's - and I believe it starts earlier in females. I thought the vocals were outstanding, and the richer, deeper tone really lends itself well to the dark flavor of Evanescence tracks Lzzy mentioned this on her tumblr previously. Plus she had a child a few years back.
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Post by Rarkphoenix on Aug 18, 2017 16:19:52 GMT -5
Amy's voice has definitely deepened over time. To be honest, I wish she would realise that and stop trying to sing at the heights she used to. I really think it's making her sound very strained, particularly here. I felt exactly the same way about Speak To Me. There's a great quality to her voice now - it sounds...I don't know, fuller or something. And I wish her performances reflected that and utilised the new tones in her voice to their full potential. I want to hear more of her lower, huskier register. And I think now more than ever Amy's at her best when she's exploring the softer, deeper, more ethereal side of her voice. I've said it before on a few threads now, but she's always belting at the very top of her range and there's really no need for it. I wanted to love this version of BMTL, but all I can hear is the vocal strain. I can't wait to hear how she sounds on the new songs. I don't know sh*t about singing technic and all that jazz, but you have been saying this for a long time and I always agree with you cause I have the same opinion on the way she uses her voice, I love Ev songs, but one thing that bothered me from Ev3 was the fact that she seems to be singing at the top of her capabilities at all time except for a few moments here and there, so vocals-wise I am more into cover songs like Baby Did a Bad Bad Thing, or Going to California, or Love Has no Reason, or some of the songs in Dream Too Much like Stand by Me, cause I can hear the different tones of her voice better, it's calm and pretty when it has to be and goes up when it has to, whereas in the last Ev songs it becomes unnecessarily loud. Idk if it's the mixing like you guys say or she just forces her voice too much, this doesn't help her when she has to sing live either. When the guitars come in it's understandable, but some songs like Speak to Me and Secret Door seem unnecessarily high. They are beautiful songs but I can't fully enjoy them for that reason. Plus like you say, she doesn't need to force her voice because it has gotten so much more mature, it flows naturally when she lets it. So yeah, I would like to hear her lower register more in these 2 new songs and hopefully on the next album too. I'm sorry if I'm talking out of my ass lol I did say I don't know anything about technic, I just give my 2 cents on what my non-professional ears hear. Kind of echoing the same sentiments. I'm not too bothered about Bring Me To Life sounding strained and belty, because that's always been a belty song, which is probably why I love the new version so much. It's essentially a 2017 version of a 2003 song, more mature, more bombastic and reflecting all of the changes in the band since then (from the stylistic changes to the changes in Amy's voice and her alterations to the vocal melody live - the inclusion of the "o-only you" moment before the bridge makes me particularly happy ). I don't think she really needs to change much on the remakes from how she would sing them live today, because her voice has changed so much and that gives enough variation for my tastes. That said, I do hope in the two new pieces we do hear more low register stuff. I think it's a shame she doesn't do more of the less belty T.O.D. pieces because I really feel like her voice would really be able to handle the kind of sexy/spooky Tuna Afternoon verses amazingly nowadays. I still love the belty stuff because that's typically Amy, but my favourite Ev pieces are those with a lot of vocal dynamic, and if the remake of Even In Death is anything to go by, I feel like she's really coming into her own with the lower register now. I guess I'm just waiting on a spooky, atmospheric, but still epic and bombastic new Ev track that has both. The fact that this track feels a lot less compressed than Ev3 is already a step in the right direction for my tastes.
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Post by TDS on Aug 18, 2017 17:17:33 GMT -5
Amy doesn't sound strained to me, she can manage to sing Bring me to Life very easily. But I do believe that the way she sings now is much more contained and controlled than when she was younger. This belongs in the topic about her voice, but let me just share these two acoustic performances: www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPOrjH1JBy8www.youtube.com/watch?v=laCzS9kff9oI feel like because her voice is getting deeper with time she is trying to compensate by singing higher, if that makes sense. In the first video, the song just flows naturally, she is not strained and her voice is very "pure" (I mean it's less controlled). In the second video, her voice is very controlled on the chorus, and she kinds of let go on the hook (I like to think she's kinda throwing up the notes because it sounds like she relaxes her jaw) . Something I observed from many pop singers, is that when they reach the belting notes, it seems hard for them to go back to lower notes. It's like the lower register is not controlled at all anymore and they have trouble to sustain the notes and sound powerful (and they might sound flat too). I know very little about singing though. I'm waiting to hear her sing Never Go Back. Also don't forget that they apparently used autotune all over Fallen (or pitch correction) and these new vocals seem way less processed than on Fallen.
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Post by dannycastillo on Aug 18, 2017 18:19:48 GMT -5
To those of you saying her voice sounds "strained"... can you give examples with time markings? I'm really confused as to what y'all are hearing, and I'm thinking that some of you are confusing "belting" with "sounding strained". Here's an example of what straining the voice is: www.youtube.com/watch?v=YiIgSh4MQ6Q (Forward to 3:25 if you don't wanna hear the whole thing) Nowhere and I mean NOWHERE in the new BMTL recording does Amy sound like she is straining. Belting (carrying the chest voice up to sing high notes) yes, but straining (singing with bad technique/screaming)... ABSOLUTELY NOT. Source: Master of Music with a specialization in vocal performance from the University of Texas 2016 Edit: And if you all want to hear an example of what AMY'S voice sounds like when she strains, click here: www.youtube.com/watch?v=ArFE1ZhjnUM (Forward to 2:43)
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Post by Shin on Aug 18, 2017 20:26:24 GMT -5
To those of you saying her voice sounds "strained"... can you give examples with time markings? I'm really confused as to what y'all are hearing, and I'm thinking that some of you are confusing "belting" with "sounding strained". Here's an example of what straining the voice is: www.youtube.com/watch?v=YiIgSh4MQ6Q (Forward to 3:25 if you don't wanna hear the whole thing) Nowhere and I mean NOWHERE in the new BMTL recording does Amy sound like she is straining. Belting (carrying the chest voice up to sing high notes) yes, but straining (singing with bad technique/screaming)... ABSOLUTELY NOT. Source: Master of Music with a specialization in vocal performance from the University of Texas 2016 Edit: And if you all want to hear an example of what AMY'S voice sounds like when she strains, click here: www.youtube.com/watch?v=ArFE1ZhjnUM (Forward to 2:43) I don't get why people are complaining that she is singing high all the time or majority of the time. The songs are written in that particular key and notes because that is how they wrote them. If people want her to sing lower range then the songs themselves need to be written in either a lower key or low notes. But sometimes those low notes don't work because of the atmosphere and mood of the song. Hope that makes a bit more sense. Also I don't believe she is straining. This mix is better than the one that leaked. I was absolutely amazed when I heard this after I downloaded it. So clear and we'll mixed. The leaked was also a crappy bit rate of around 192kps I think and ripped off Spotify whereas we have official links to purchase and download from. Also bought the instrumental and I'm loving that too. It's a masterpiece. One more thing to those who are saying I hope we have Anything For You on here or pre-Fallen material. The band mentioned it's from the last 3 albums. So that's a no. However, when I listened to this for the first time, it reminded me of elements of TOD and Origin, especially the electronic drumming, which in turn reminded me of Away From Me. Also: www.blabbermouth.net/news/hear-evanescences-orchestral-reworking-of-bring-me-to-life/Can we start leaving comments of support on these sites as well as other ones. We could help the band by commenting on articles. You would be surprised when people see comments they feel the need to check out the music and also comment themselves. Much appreciated. The same on YouTube as well. Not everyone has done so.
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Post by The_Sacrificed on Aug 18, 2017 20:37:17 GMT -5
To those of you saying her voice sounds "strained"... can you give examples with time markings? I'm really confused as to what y'all are hearing, and I'm thinking that some of you are confusing "belting" with "sounding strained". Here's an example of what straining the voice is: www.youtube.com/watch?v=YiIgSh4MQ6Q (Forward to 3:25 if you don't wanna hear the whole thing) Nowhere and I mean NOWHERE in the new BMTL recording does Amy sound like she is straining. Belting (carrying the chest voice up to sing high notes) yes, but straining (singing with bad technique/screaming)... ABSOLUTELY NOT. Source: Master of Music with a specialization in vocal performance from the University of Texas 2016 Edit: And if you all want to hear an example of what AMY'S voice sounds like when she strains, click here: www.youtube.com/watch?v=ArFE1ZhjnUM (Forward to 2:43) I don't get why people are complaining that she is singing high all the time or majority of the time. The songs are written in that particular key and notes because that is how they wrote them. If people want her to sing lower range then the songs themselves need to be written in either a lower key or low notes. But sometimes those low notes don't work because of the atmosphere and mood of the song. Hope that makes a bit more sense. Also I don't believe she is straining. This mix is better than the one that leaked. I was absolutely amazed when I heard this after I downloaded it. So clear and we'll mixed. The leaked was also a crappy bit rate of around 192kps I think and ripped off Spotify whereas we have official links to purchase and download from. Also bought the instrumental and I'm loving that too. It's a masterpiece. One more thing to those who are saying I hope we have Anything For You on here or pre-Fallen material. The band mentioned it's from the last 3 albums. So that's a no. However, when I listened to this for the first time, it reminded me of elements of TOD and Origin, especially the electronic drumming, which in turn reminded me of Away From Me. Also: www.blabbermouth.net/news/hear-evanescences-orchestral-reworking-of-bring-me-to-life/Can we start leaving comments of support on these sites as well as other ones. We could help the band by commenting on articles. You would be surprised when people see comments they feel the need to check out the music and also comment themselves. Much appreciated. The same on YouTube as well. Not everyone has done so. Blabbermouth is the epitome of negative comments. So a lot of the time most of us just stay away from it and ignore it. But I agree adding positive comments may help. I don't understand why everyone is saying it leaked? I know the snippet was a leak but the full song wasn't. It was released in other parts of the world Thursday because it was Friday there. They were probably bad quality due to being ripped from Spotify.
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Post by Shin on Aug 18, 2017 22:46:18 GMT -5
To those of you saying her voice sounds "strained"... can you give examples with time markings? I'm really confused as to what y'all are hearing, and I'm thinking that some of you are confusing "belting" with "sounding strained". Here's an example of what straining the voice is: www.youtube.com/watch?v=YiIgSh4MQ6Q (Forward to 3:25 if you don't wanna hear the whole thing) Nowhere and I mean NOWHERE in the new BMTL recording does Amy sound like she is straining. Belting (carrying the chest voice up to sing high notes) yes, but straining (singing with bad technique/screaming)... ABSOLUTELY NOT. Source: Master of Music with a specialization in vocal performance from the University of Texas 2016 Edit: And if you all want to hear an example of what AMY'S voice sounds like when she strains, click here: www.youtube.com/watch?v=ArFE1ZhjnUM (Forward to 2:43) I don't get why people are complaining that she is singing high all the time or majority of the time. The songs are written in that particular key and notes because that is how they wrote them. If people want her to sing lower range then the songs themselves need to be written in either a lower key or low notes. But sometimes those low notes don't work because of the atmosphere and mood of the song. Hope that makes a bit more sense. Also I don't believe she is straining. This mix is better than the one that leaked. I was absolutely amazed when I heard this after I downloaded it. So clear and we'll mixed. The leaked was also a crappy bit rate of around 192kps I think and ripped off Spotify whereas we have official links to purchase and download from. Also bought the instrumental and I'm loving that too. It's a masterpiece. One more thing to those who are saying I hope we have Anything For You on here or pre-Fallen material. The band mentioned it's from the last 3 albums. So that's a no. However, when I listened to this for the first time, it reminded me of elements of TOD and Origin, especially the electronic drumming, which in turn reminded me of Away From Me. Also: www.blabbermouth.net/news/hear-evanescences-orchestral-reworking-of-bring-me-to-life/Can we start leaving comments of support on these sites as well as other ones. We could help the band by commenting on articles. You would be surprised when people see comments they feel the need to check out the music and also comment themselves. Much appreciated. The same on YouTube as well. Not everyone has done so. I posted this one because a lot of people read it but we should all make an effort and write comments and also reviews. If we can review songs on iTunes, it should show up better for other users including friends on iTunes. So like in UK Together Again has no reviews but if it had 100-1000 etc then it will get some attention. Not saying or expecting that but would be nice.
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Post by harridan on Aug 19, 2017 6:50:50 GMT -5
After giving it some time, I reached the conclusion that I love Amy's matured voice and I love the instrumental but the two together - not so much. It really is the mixing that doesn't quite work for me. I can't get enough of the instrumental and I'll buy it as soon they upload it on a platform that actually allows me to buy it.
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Post by turdyturderson on Aug 19, 2017 9:47:34 GMT -5
After giving it some time, I reached the conclusion that I love Amy's matured voice and I love the instrumental but the two together - not so much. It really is the mixing that doesn't quite work for me. I can't get enough of the instrumental and I'll buy it as soon they upload it on a platform that actually allows me to buy it. Did you get the official download? I think it's better mixed on there - not as forward and not so dry, and the instruments are louder and can be more appreciated in context. But I also respect the opinion of liking the instrumental over the voice track
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Post by harridan on Aug 19, 2017 10:04:21 GMT -5
Did you get the official download? I think it's better mixed on there - not as forward and not so dry, and the instruments are louder and can be more appreciated in context. But I also respect the opinion of liking the instrumental over the voice track The last sentence of my post answers this question. I've heard the official YouTube and Spotify versions but I cannot get my hands on a download because French sites refuse to sell me digital content (the most ridiculous case being the French version of an online store not accepting my credit card and the Japanese version not accepting my IP, after which I begged my brother to buy the song for me and it wasn't available in his country...) and for some reason it's still not available on the Japanese Amazon. I'm kinda done trying to buy anything in non-physical format honestly.
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Post by turdyturderson on Aug 19, 2017 11:52:18 GMT -5
Did you get the official download? I think it's better mixed on there - not as forward and not so dry, and the instruments are louder and can be more appreciated in context. But I also respect the opinion of liking the instrumental over the voice track The last sentence of my post answers this question. I've heard the official YouTube and Spotify versions but I cannot get my hands on a download because French sites refuse to sell me digital content (the most ridiculous case being the French version of an online store not accepting my credit card and the Japanese version not accepting my IP, after which I begged my brother to buy the song for me and it wasn't available in his country...) and for some reason it's still not available on the Japanese Amazon. I'm kinda done trying to buy anything in non-physical format honestly. Got it. I'm sorry. That's annoying.
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Post by calcol28 on Aug 19, 2017 16:36:13 GMT -5
I agree that the mixing isn't too good. I feel like some of the non-electronic percussion is also a bit off, especially at the beginning with the highhats/cymbals. I do quite enjoy the "wub-wub-wub" when Amy sings "nothing i've become" at 1:16 - 1:20, and the rest of the song kinda falls into place and sounds quite a bit better after that point. I like the "Frooooooozen insiIIIIiiiiIIIIIde" vocal change she does during the bridge/middle 8th, and I'm also glad we get to hear her do the "OHHHH-HOOOOONLY YOOOOU" (that she has been doing live a lot recently) but sang perfectly in studio quality. The outro is beautiful, too! I love that you cant really tell where Amys singing ends, as the strings swell and blend everything together. So lovely!
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Post by FallenEvArmy on Aug 19, 2017 17:25:19 GMT -5
Earlier today I was messing around with this song, I layered the Fallen vocals over the Synthesis version and then the Synthesis vocals over the Fallen version and it pretty much confirmed how I feel about the new vocals. I don't like them. It's not how it's sung, but more to do with how it was mixed/recorded etc.
I ADORE the Fallen vocals with this version, but the new vocals fell flat with both. It really is a shame. I'm just hoping the vocals are better for the rest of the album.
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Post by Psypher on Aug 19, 2017 17:57:53 GMT -5
^ That's interesting, I love seeing everyone's different perspectives. I like the vocals,but honestly I prefer the instrumental version because the orchestra and everything else sounds so good.
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