Forever You

[magicalcutzi]

This is my favorite Evanescence song at the moment<3

[GoingUnderOceans]

I can totally relate to this song I love it

[AeternusAmatorius]

I always associate this song with the waffle obsession. I have a hard time differentiating this song and C-Sharp. Lol. Everything I listen to this song I think of waffles.

[Himmelslicht]

This is probably the only song I really dislike. I don't like the lyrics. I know it's about loving someone so bad that we forget about ourselves, but I'm so against that that I can't simply like the song.
And the instrumental itself, meh. Doesn't sound good to my ears.

[Open The Door]

There are two versions of this song?
And also, why does it say on EvRef that this song is a Fallen Outtake?

[AeternusAmatorius]

Jan 12, 2013 10:03:54 GMT -6 Open The Door said:

There are two versions of this song?
And also, why does it say on EvRef that this song is a Fallen Outtake?

Yes. John LeCompt wrote the original, called "C Sharp". It was about his love/obsession with Eggo Waffles. Amy re-wrote the lyrics though and so it became "Forever You". And EvRef is stupid sometimes. lol. Though there were 15 songs that were for Fallen, but only 11 made it to the final cut. I'm not sure what the 15th song was, though David clearly said there were 15 for Fallen.

[DarkFlare89]

Forever You

-Located on the album(s): NOWHERE! Where is that B-Side & Rarities album when you need it?!
-BMI Work #UNKNOWN - This WAS on the BMI but has since disappeared. WTF!?!?
-Length Time: 3:23
-Acoustic Version Available? [NO]
-Live Version Available? [NO]

Lyrics:
Italics will be back up vocals.

0:00 - 0:20

I wanted you to be with me
For so long I don't even know why now
But now that I've given up on you
Defiantly you see me

Walking away I see the pain
Put me through (I see through you)
Lost in your game to change the same
Forever gone, forever you

There's something very wrong about this
I think you knew all along somehow
You'll only take me to change my mind
And leave me broken and defeated

1:20 - 1:31

So far away (Ahhhahhh) I see the truth
I see through you (I see through you)
Now that I know the way you play
I don't want to

Walking away (Ahhhahhh) I see the pain
You put me through (I see through you)
Lost in your game to change the same
Forever gone, forever you

2:09 - 2:38

So far away (Ahhhahh) I see the truth
I see through you (I see through you)
Now that I know the way you play
I don't want to (Ahh ah ah ahh)

Walking away (Ahhhahhh) I see the truth
You put me through (Ahh ah ah ahh)
Lost in your game to change the same
Forever gone, forever you (Forever you)

Song:

Some Things To Think About/Debate Over

-People who don't know any better call this song "Forever Gone, Forever You." People who really don't know any better insist this song is called "Forever Gone." Do not do that, it was never called "Forever Gone." That's just silly. Judging by Shelly (John's wife), I'd presume she knows what she is taking about when she talks about said song (below). Note that it is known as "Forever You" on the Exodus Forums, presumably the origin of the first Evanescence discography. Shelly's quote below (bold emphasis mine):

Hello all! Yes Mindrage RAWKED!!!!!!!!!!!!! John did write that song as a solo thing he did between the Mindrage split & joining up with Evanescence! (that let's you know how long ago that was -hehehe) And the original version (which I am now listening to because you guys are making me remember back when - hehehe) called C sharp was all john when he recorded on our home pc. He did all the music & all the lyrics, he played it all & sang it all! So pretty - hehehe. Okay then came the lovely Ben & Amy, they loved as John loved it so added a little Evie to it and there was the beginning of Forever You. Amy did her own lyrics to that version. I think that clears up everything or makes it worse who knows! hahaha

Also, if you check out Mindrage (on the evboard b/c they are the scholars of john knowledge) you should check out Killsystem here too!!!!

SOURCE

According to Shelly above, John's version (called C-Sharp), has only his vocals and he did all the music. Then Amy + Ben came along, listened to it, and then made into Forever You. NOTE that this is similar to the process that Tourniquet (Rocky's song) underwent as well. Tourniquet too was listened to by Amy + Ben, then changed a bit (i.e. "added a little Evie to it") and became what we know it.

-Um, question. How did we get the idea that this song had ANYTHING to do with waffles? Did John say this? Or is this something that magically came up on EvBoard? I mean, yeah it sounds like something John would say as one of those funny Q/A things - but that implies that they actually talked about Forever You which, even if it is a small mention, is kinda important, don't you think? So I'd like to see the interview or whatever . . . it would be nice xD.

John LeCompt is credited to have written this song. According to LeCompt, the original name of the song was C Sharp, the guitar tuning of the song. Originally, it was meant to be on Fallen, but never made the cut. An alternate look at the song describes John LeCompt’s secret addiction to Eggo waffles.

-Double A and I have talked about this for a while, and I have decided that I agree with her. Forever You is a 2001 - 2002 demo, since that seems to make the most sense and, even though early discographies didn't label it as such, they also tended not to label Lies (Post-Origin Demo) as such either (Exodus Discography & EvBoard Discography comes to mind). So that is a moot point anyways.

-(Thanks to Double A and FallenEvArmy for this!) John wrote the music for 'Forever You,' and David/Ben
did the programming and keys. In addition, the vocal melody of 'Forever You' was "applied" to the vocal melody of 'Bring Me To Life'.

-Back when we thought The Open Door was going to have re-made versions of old songs (like Even In Death) Forever You was a popular contender:

And I feel that Even In Death and Forever Gone Forever You will also be there, because Even In Death is the most probable track from Origin being on their next album and Forever Gone Forever You, because they wanted to put it on Fallen but they didn't do it, so I think John wants that... But this is my chances...

THANKS to DoubleA for the lyrics and the videos are from FallenEvArmy!

[AeternusAmatorius]

Well, wasn't it suspected that "Faixa Five" was rumored to be a contender for Fallen? Or am I just making that up?

Forever You sounds like a well recorded final demo of the song, just not mixed. Let me explain why I think this. It is because 1) the beginning sounds are loud, then when the guitar kicks in, it is "muffled". 2) Amy's lead vocals in the first verse seem muffled/muted as well. 3) Her backing vocals, in the first verse, seem more prominent. However, I'm not sure if this was intentional or not. Plus, there are so many songs from this particular era that they had to pick from to even get close to a 12+ track finalization to have a tentative song listing (15 as David has said) to get to a final track list (11 + 3 b-sides). So trying to deduce a 15th track option is kind of hard with the songs we have, plus ones that we don't even have (there is that possibility), because there are so many of them. 

Though, here is my theory:

K. We have the 11 songs from the track list.
Subtract track 4 (because that's just MI from Origin with strings - No re-recording, of the original song, took place) and now we're back to 10.
Add My Immortal (Band Version). Now we have 11 again.
Now add Farther Away, Breathe No More, and Missing. Now we have 14. 
Lastly, add the Mystary version of My Immortal. That makes 15. 

Here's a pretty Mathematical version. Yay EvMath!!!   Makes me a ninja! 
 

So technically, there are 15 recorded songs for Fallen as my picture claims. 

So I'm thinking that this is what David meant but we, as fans and knowing there were other possible contenders, jumped to the conclusion that it may have been a 2001-2002 demo song... 

[DarkFlare89]

Feb 15, 2013 16:57:42 GMT -6 AeternusAmatorius said:

Well, wasn't it suspected that "Faixa Five" was rumored to be a contender for Fallen? Or am I just making that up?

No, no you didn't make that up. Huh - I mean, did we presume that "Faixa Five" was for Fallen, due to the fact that David is in the BMI credits? Or maybe it was because the BMI number was later (i.e. registered WAY after) Fallen was made? Maybe it's really a 2001 - 2002 demo? Or maybe it's a Fallen Outtake like Forever You? Hmm.

Forever You sounds like a well recorded final demo of the song, just not mixed. Let me explain why I think this. It is because 1) the beginning sounds are loud, then when the guitar kicks in, it is "muffled". 2) Amy's lead vocals in the first verse seem muffled/muted as well. 3) Her backing vocals, in the first verse, seem more prominent. However, I'm not sure if this was intentional or not. Plus, there are so many songs from this particular era that they had to pick from to even get close to a 12+ track finalization to have a tentative song listing (15 as David has said) to get to a final track list (11 + 3 b-sides). So trying to deduce a 15th track option is kind of hard with the songs we have, plus ones that we don't even have (there is that possibility), because there are so many of them.

So very, very true. Yes, I agree about the song sounding final but not mixed.

So I'm thinking that this is what David meant but we, as fans and knowing there were other possible contenders, jumped to the conclusion that it may have been a 2001-2002 demo song... 

Hmmm . . . I like that you talk about the Mystary Version of MI. Yes, that makes sense, since they were going to go with that before Wind-Up interfered (aghh!)

Wait, when did they re-record My Immortal with the band? Didn't they do that before the MI single was released? Or is that my imagination? The only reason I bring this up is because I'm under the impression that the MI (Band Version) was made after David left the band in late 2002. Besides, even if he didn't, I'm not too sure that people/band members would consider the same song twice in a list of songs that was going to be made for the album. You know? Like, err . . . um, okay so it would maybe be like if Amy counted BMTL and the BMTL Bliss Mix as both going to be on Fallen or something (bad example, I know, sorry!).

Also, Double A do you have a link to the video again? In my PM notes, the link you gave me was on EvThreads v1, which has since been nuked. So . . . yeah xD.

Also, we still have the problem of David not acknowledging a fourth B-Side/Outtake in his interview: www.davidhodges.info/interview.shtml

What song do you wish made it onto Fallen besides Breathe No More, Farther Away, and Missing?

there aren't many more songs that we even considered. there is a song called "before the dawn" that i love, but it didn't really fit the idea of the record.

But your point about Faixa Five still stands - although I cannot remember where the idea that it came from Fallen came from. Someone needs to ask Amy what is "Faixa Five." It could just be a random demo (like Bleed, AFY, Surrender, BTD) or even an Origin Outtake (unlikely, as we would have gotten it on EvExpert's list).

[LaraLeeEV]

I love this song! Some call it Forever Gone, Forever You but according to Shelly LeCompt it is "Forever You".

Here is my lyric video for it:

[AeternusAmatorius]

Feb 16, 2013 22:47:58 GMT -6 DarkFlare89 said:

Wait, when did they re-record My Immortal with the band? Didn't they do that before the MI single was released? Or is that my imagination? The only reason I bring this up is because I'm under the impression that the MI (Band Version) was made after David left the band in late 2002. Besides, even if he didn't, I'm not too sure that people/band members would consider the same song twice in a list of songs that was going to be made for the album. You know? Like, err . . . um, okay so it would maybe be like if Amy counted BMTL and the BMTL Bliss Mix as both going to be on Fallen or something (bad example, I know, sorry!).

Also, Double A do you have a link to the video again? In my PM notes, the link you gave me was on EvThreads v1, which has since been nuked. So . . . yeah xD.

Also, we still have the problem of David not acknowledging a fourth B-Side/Outtake in his interview: www.davidhodges.info/interview.shtml

What song do you wish made it onto Fallen besides Breathe No More, Farther Away, and Missing?

there aren't many more songs that we even considered. there is a song called "before the dawn" that i love, but it didn't really fit the idea of the record.

But your point about Faixa Five still stands - although I cannot remember where the idea that it came from Fallen came from. Someone needs to ask Amy what is "Faixa Five." It could just be a random demo (like Bleed, AFY, Surrender, BTD) or even an Origin Outtake (unlikely, as we would have gotten it on EvExpert's list).

So to answer your question about MI Band Version. It was recorded during the recording sessions of Fallen (at least that's what this article implies - thanks to Ring for posting in MI thread). Which, the same article also states COULD be the reason for the 2004 re-release.

"The label was stuck on the demo and wouldn't let us use the version we really wanted," Lee said. "We fought back and forth about it and finally we gave in, but we were all so angry about it."

A couple million album sales later, Evanescence have garnered the kind of clout that allows them to call some of the shots. So when "My Immortal" was decided upon as the next single, Evanescence elected to use their preferred recording of the song.

So according to what Amy was quoted as saying and the description of the recording session for the song, the Mystary Version isn't the version intended to be track 4.

Your point is a very good one. So maybe we should take this 15 song thing that I claim to be the 15 songs with a grain of salt. So, lets subtract MI Mystary Version and MI Band Version. So 13 again (being MI track 4 is not counted). So what are the other two songs? We can speculate that one *could* have been Forever You. What about Bleed? That seems to be a "well recorded final demo but not mixed" song too. So, let's add that; 14 now. Now let's just add Faixa Five just because David was "there" for it; 15. So there we have the 15 songs for the "final tentative" track list, though it is speculation. Geeze, we need to make a thread for "What to ask the band/Amy when we meet them/her". 

But my burning question, that I always keep coming back to is: What information, clues, hints or evidence do we have that Forever You was indeed an outtake from Fallen? URGHHHHH!!!!! It really bug me when I see this on the EvRef, even though this indicates nothing of the sort. AND THEN. . . wait for it. . . HERE IT IS AGAIN! 



Argh! This is frustrating. "Amy, why you no talk about the demos?"

[Ring]

May 18, 2013 1:37:42 GMT -6 AeternusAmatorius said:

But my burning question, that I always keep coming back to is: What information, clues, hints or evidence do we have that Forever You was indeed an outtake from Fallen? URGHHHHH!!!!! It really bug me when I see this on the EvRef, even though this indicates nothing of the sort. AND THEN. . . wait for it. . . HERE IT IS AGAIN! 

I deleted those, because it bothers you so much.

[AeternusAmatorius]

Aw! You didn't have to, though I do appreciate it and thank you! 

[DarkFlare89]

May 18, 2013 1:37:42 GMT -6 AeternusAmatorius said:

Your point is a very good one. So maybe we should take this 15 song thing that I claim to be the 15 songs with a grain of salt. So, lets subtract MI Mystary Version and MI Band Version. So 13 again (being MI track 4 is not counted). So what are the other two songs? We can speculate that one *could* have been Forever You. What about Bleed? That seems to be a "well recorded final demo but not mixed" song too. So, let's add that; 14 now. Now let's just add Faixa Five just because David was "there" for it; 15. So there we have the 15 songs for the "final tentative" track list, though it is speculation. Geeze, we need to make a thread for "What to ask the band/Amy when we meet them/her". 

But my burning question, that I always keep coming back to is: What information, clues, hints or evidence do we have that Forever You was indeed an outtake from Fallen? URGHHHHH!!!!! It really bug me when I see this on the EvRef, even though this indicates nothing of the sort. AND THEN. . . wait for it. . . HERE IT IS AGAIN! 



Argh! This is frustrating. "Amy, why you no talk about the demos?"

Well, at least ONE of the My Immortals has to be on the list. I mean, okay Fallen Version won't be counted because it is just Origin + Strings, but the question comes down to is which version are they referring to in that quote - Mystary or Band? (P.S. Thank you for that quote!) Now, some people refer to the Mystary Version as the Demo of the Band Version; so I'm more inclined to agree with your original inclusion of the Band Version, but not so much the Mystary Version (because why would they include a demo in the final list of songs that would be "for Fallen?") So the magic number is still 14 (Fallen minus MI (Fallen) but plus MI (Band).) And the final song is indeed still what we are wondering.

I don't know about Bleed. AFY/Bleed/Before the Dawn/Surrender are like the four horsemen of the 2001 - 2002 demos. If either one was going to be the 4th Outtake for Fallen, David would have said it in the quote I stated. I mean, he mentions Before the Dawn just fine; if Bleed was a serious contender then it certainly would have been mentioned. I wonder if we tweet David that link and ask him to elaborate what the 15 are, maybe he'll respond? I dunno . . .

I agree, we still don't know what to do with Forever You. But, even that quote from my notes (talking about potential songs on TOD), that was around 2004: There is some degree of EvLore (quite old EvLore) that Forever You was "suppose to be on Fallen." I just have no clue where that idea came from. Did people just assume? I wonder if John would answer whether or not Forever You was going to be a serious contender. I mean, I'd imagine there is more evidence for Forever You than there is for Faixa Five - which could in theory be either a fifth unique 2001 - 2002 Demo or an Origin Outtake that wasn't listed in EvRoom101/EvBoard Discographies, but I find the latter unlikely.

[AeternusAmatorius]

May 18, 2013 23:46:33 GMT -6 DarkFlare89 said:

May 18, 2013 1:37:42 GMT -6 AeternusAmatorius said:

Your point is a very good one. So maybe we should take this 15 song thing that I claim to be the 15 songs with a grain of salt. So, lets subtract MI Mystary Version and MI Band Version. So 13 again (being MI track 4 is not counted). So what are the other two songs? We can speculate that one *could* have been Forever You. What about Bleed? That seems to be a "well recorded final demo but not mixed" song too. So, let's add that; 14 now. Now let's just add Faixa Five just because David was "there" for it; 15. So there we have the 15 songs for the "final tentative" track list, though it is speculation. Geeze, we need to make a thread for "What to ask the band/Amy when we meet them/her". 

But my burning question, that I always keep coming back to is: What information, clues, hints or evidence do we have that Forever You was indeed an outtake from Fallen? URGHHHHH!!!!! It really bug me when I see this on the EvRef, even though this indicates nothing of the sort. AND THEN. . . wait for it. . . HERE IT IS AGAIN! 



Argh! This is frustrating. "Amy, why you no talk about the demos?"

Well, at least ONE of the My Immortals has to be on the list. I mean, okay Fallen Version won't be counted because it is just Origin + Strings, but the question comes down to is which version are they referring to in that quote - Mystary or Band? (P.S. Thank you for that quote!) Now, some people refer to the Mystary Version as the Demo of the Band Version; so I'm more inclined to agree with your original inclusion of the Band Version, but not so much the Mystary Version (because why would they include a demo in the final list of songs that would be "for Fallen?") So the magic number is still 14 (Fallen minus MI (Fallen) but plus MI (Band).) And the final song is indeed still what we are wondering.

I don't know about Bleed. AFY/Bleed/Before the Dawn/Surrender are like the four horsemen of the 2001 - 2002 demos. If either one was going to be the 4th Outtake for Fallen, David would have said it in the quote I stated. I mean, he mentions Before the Dawn just fine; if Bleed was a serious contender then it certainly would have been mentioned. I wonder if we tweet David that link and ask him to elaborate what the 15 are, maybe he'll respond? I dunno . . .

I agree, we still don't know what to do with Forever You. But, even that quote from my notes (talking about potential songs on TOD), that was around 2004: There is some degree of EvLore (quite old EvLore) that Forever You was "suppose to be on Fallen." I just have no clue where that idea came from. Did people just assume? I wonder if John would answer whether or not Forever You was going to be a serious contender. I mean, I'd imagine there is more evidence for Forever You than there is for Faixa Five - which could in theory be either a fifth unique 2001 - 2002 Demo or an Origin Outtake that wasn't listed in EvRoom101/EvBoard Discographies, but I find the latter unlikely.

The article describes that it was recorded with the band, so I would assume it was the Band Version. So let's count this one since in the article Amy hints that's the version they wanted on Fallen, or at least something different than the one that became Track 4.

Well the question was what song would he have wanted to make it to Fallen. So it's his opinion. Sure, the person asking said "other than FA, Missing and BNM" but still, the question didn't say "What song(s) of the contenders for Fallen, that didn't make it onto the album, that you wished would have made it to Fallen?" Yeah, he could have easily said something about the 'other' b-side song (15th song), but I don't think he thought of it that way. I just think he was like "Okay, what song do I wish made it onto Fallen and they can't be the b-sides." At least that's what I would have reflected upon if I was asked that question. 

Yeah. I really hate that Amy doesn't like talking about the old stuff. Yeah, I know it's embarrassing to her, but God, the old stuff was the best because she and Ben had free reign of whatever they want to put into the songs and it's what made her who she is today... Without it, she wouldn't be in the band that I love. I want answers and if we are not going to get answers then don't bring it up. There's hostility there when Amy talks about most old stuff, especially Origin.

I'm going to make a document of my questions that I want answers to. Next time Ev comes around, I will give it to Amy, give her my information, and ask her nicely if she can answer them for me and send her answers to me. (long shot and it will never happen, I know, but a girl can dream right? )

Eh, I don't think the guys (not necessarily David; more Ben, John and Rocky because of the way things ended and now the WATF hate and judgment from some EvFans) would like to talk about Evanescence stuff. Idk why, but eh. If there was a bad ending to my story with the band, I wouldn't want to talk about it.