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Post by feedingthedark on Apr 11, 2021 11:58:58 GMT -5
Does anyone notice how the mixing was good with the first four singles but the rest of the songs is like trash? lol Yes I notice and agree..lol Although I still thought the singles had issues too. Like The Game Is Over is one of my favorites, but Amy's voices gets lost to me throughout and that's the way I experience the whole album at various points. Take Cover would be so amazing if I could hear her voice better. It's fierce and I love it, but the power is undercut to me by the mix and of all the songs, that one is the worst to me as far as her voice being drowned out, like all the way through, but whatever. Listening to the CD without headphones and turning the volume way up is the only ways I'm able to enjoy this new record. Any other format, I just can't take it. Yes! I can only listen to it with headphones. Without them, Amy's voice gets drowned out by the instruments and it all sounds like a mess to me personally. I feel like the (bad) mixing was a aesthetic choice for the album, as the music is meant to sound "raw."
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Post by EvanescentEvil on Apr 11, 2021 13:10:50 GMT -5
Does anyone find the tracklist a little jarring? Especially between Far From Heaven and Part of Me. Artifact/The Turn and Broken Pieces Shine are perfect where they are, but the rest I feel could be shuffled Agreed. Honestly, I think the album's flow is a bit off. For instance, WOY feels like it doesn't belong in the album at all, and maybe it would have been better placed before or after FFH.
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Post by Titanic on Apr 11, 2021 23:21:33 GMT -5
Does anyone find the tracklist a little jarring? Especially between Far From Heaven and Part of Me. Artifact/The Turn and Broken Pieces Shine are perfect where they are, but the rest I feel could be shuffled Yes. The album is also very homogenous. I do love the album, but like Ev3, it's so dense with the loud instruments and almost no haunting slow-burning tracks to add more rhythm and flow, it's exhausting. Nick producing the album again suggested we'd see guitars drown Amy out again, when we should be appreciating Amy's voice with the guitars only as a compliment to it, a texture at most. Not the dominant force. I love Part of Me, especially that haunting bit at the very end. Which should have been the theme of the whole song, instead of a few seconds after we've been assaulted by guitars and strained to hear Amy deliver a single note over them.
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Post by mattthomas1992 on Apr 12, 2021 14:03:39 GMT -5
I agree that Wasted On You would sound better near Far From Heaven.
I also feel that Part of Me would either make a great ending song, a song of hope for the band in the future, or next to Broken Pieces Shine.
I think I'd have Artifact/The Turn with Broken Pieces Shine first, followed by Part of Me and then Use My Voice, and Better Without You. Yeah Right, then Take Cover, Feeding The Dark, Far From Heaven, Wasted On You, Blind Belief, and end with The Game is Over. That way you'd start with the message of unity and speaking out, then get a different feel with more electronic elements at Yeah Right, Take Cover. Far From Heaven works really well with Blind Belief, but Wasted On You is so hard to place. I think if it wasn't for releasing this before completing the album, it wouldn't have made the tracklist.
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Post by tezbear_91 on Apr 13, 2021 16:34:26 GMT -5
I agree that Wasted On You would sound better near Far From Heaven. I also feel that Part of Me would either make a great ending song, a song of hope for the band in the future, or next to Broken Pieces Shine. I think I'd have Artifact/The Turn with Broken Pieces Shine first, followed by Part of Me and then Use My Voice, and Better Without You. Yeah Right, then Take Cover, Feeding The Dark, Far From Heaven, Wasted On You, Blind Belief, and end with The Game is Over. That way you'd start with the message of unity and speaking out, then get a different feel with more electronic elements at Yeah Right, Take Cover. Far From Heaven works really well with Blind Belief, but Wasted On You is so hard to place. I think if it wasn't for releasing this before completing the album, it wouldn't have made the tracklist. I just made a playlist with your re arranged album order. I’ll take a listen to see how it flows. I also added The Chain in after Take Cover to make the album a little bit longer. I don’t have a problem with the album order but always fun to see how different it flows when you shuffle things about.
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Post by mortalache on Apr 13, 2021 21:12:33 GMT -5
I love Part of Me, especially that haunting bit at the very end. Which should have been the theme of the whole song, instead of a few seconds after we've been assaulted by guitars and strained to hear Amy deliver a single note over them. 100% agree. Part of Me is my favorite song on this album. If her vocals were turned up a notch in the chorus I'd love it 10x more. This is maybe weird, but I find myself wishing the band would actually record this whole album together live, similar to when they did the virtual show (I heard every word of the new songs along with the music). Or even when a show with a crowd does happen again I hope one gets recorded for release. I keep thinking in that setting, the vocals maybe wouldn't be drowned out as badly like the studio versions sound to me. More of an effort to have a balance might go into a performance like this, I'm just assuming. LoL, clearly I know nothing of how this stuff is really done, just throwing it out there, wishing...lol
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2021 22:33:57 GMT -5
Does anyone find the tracklist a little jarring? Especially between Far From Heaven and Part of Me. Artifact/The Turn and Broken Pieces Shine are perfect where they are, but the rest I feel could be shuffled Yes. The album is also very homogenous. I do love the album, but like Ev3, it's so dense with the loud instruments and almost no haunting slow-burning tracks to add more rhythm and flow, it's exhausting. Nick producing the album again suggested we'd see guitars drown Amy out again, when we should be appreciating Amy's voice with the guitars only as a compliment to it, a texture at most. Not the dominant force. I love Part of Me, especially that haunting bit at the very end. Which should have been the theme of the whole song, instead of a few seconds after we've been assaulted by guitars and strained to hear Amy deliver a single note over them. Just wait for Amy to go solo instead of bashing the band work...
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Post by tezbear_91 on Apr 14, 2021 16:32:36 GMT -5
You know what would be epic....if they played the new album in full at this live stream concert they are planning to do.
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Post by turdyturderson on Apr 14, 2021 16:58:06 GMT -5
Yes. The album is also very homogenous. I do love the album, but like Ev3, it's so dense with the loud instruments and almost no haunting slow-burning tracks to add more rhythm and flow, it's exhausting. Nick producing the album again suggested we'd see guitars drown Amy out again, when we should be appreciating Amy's voice with the guitars only as a compliment to it, a texture at most. Not the dominant force. I love Part of Me, especially that haunting bit at the very end. Which should have been the theme of the whole song, instead of a few seconds after we've been assaulted by guitars and strained to hear Amy deliver a single note over them. Just wait for Amy to go solo instead of bashing the band work... They didn't say "lose the band." They just said it's loud and you can barely hear Amy's voice. They're not wrong. Homogenous meaning, they dynamic is lost. It's LOUD almost all the time. I get ear fatigue from Ev3 and TBT, so it's been harder to listen to those albums all the way through.
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Post by feedingthedark on Apr 14, 2021 19:57:09 GMT -5
Just wait for Amy to go solo instead of bashing the band work... They didn't say "lose the band." They just said it's loud and you can barely hear Amy's voice. They're not wrong. Homogenous meaning, they dynamic is lost. It's LOUD almost all the time. I get ear fatigue from Ev3 and TBT, so it's been harder to listen to those albums all the way through. It's understandable that Ev3 sounds the way it is because Wind-Up wanted a 'regular Evanescence rock album' and Amy bloodly gave them what they wanted. And she was angry with them for scrapping her original idea for the album, so anger means screaming vocals, loud guitars and drums. I just wished the electronics were more pronounced at least as originally intended. It also gives me ear fatigue, and the same applies to TBT. Maybe the loudiness has to do with Nick's production, which I'm not a fan of. He doesn't know how to work with the band's layers and ends up making a mess out of it. Well, Amy and the band love his work (and the pandemic forced them into working solely with him), so... who am I to complain? lol I was excited when I learned they were going to use different producers on the album to ensure a diverse sound, but got mad when it was known Nick would be the sole producer. Damn Covid! I hope they don't work with him on the next album...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2021 20:16:48 GMT -5
The Record Club interview while talking about extra/discarded songs:
Amy: There's leftover (...) at least couple of them will get finished Jess: We will wait and see if there's a surprise like extra package at some point (Basically a re-release of Bitter Truth) Amy: *Nod Yes*
So the idea of doing a new version of The Bitter Truth it's on Amy head... That's nice...
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Post by darn on Apr 15, 2021 4:53:54 GMT -5
Yes. The album is also very homogenous. I do love the album, but like Ev3, it's so dense with the loud instruments and almost no haunting slow-burning tracks to add more rhythm and flow, it's exhausting. Nick producing the album again suggested we'd see guitars drown Amy out again, when we should be appreciating Amy's voice with the guitars only as a compliment to it, a texture at most. Not the dominant force. I love Part of Me, especially that haunting bit at the very end. Which should have been the theme of the whole song, instead of a few seconds after we've been assaulted by guitars and strained to hear Amy deliver a single note over them. Just wait for Amy to go solo instead of bashing the band work... *insert spongebob “years later” meme*
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Post by turdyturderson on Apr 15, 2021 19:04:58 GMT -5
They didn't say "lose the band." They just said it's loud and you can barely hear Amy's voice. They're not wrong. Homogenous meaning, they dynamic is lost. It's LOUD almost all the time. I get ear fatigue from Ev3 and TBT, so it's been harder to listen to those albums all the way through. It's understandable that Ev3 sounds the way it is because Wind-Up wanted a 'regular Evanescence rock album' and Amy bloodly gave them what they wanted. And she was angry with them for scrapping her original idea for the album, so anger means screaming vocals, loud guitars and drums. I just wished the electronics were more pronounced at least as originally intended. It also gives me ear fatigue, and the same applies to TBT. Maybe the loudiness has to do with Nick's production, which I'm not a fan of. He doesn't know how to work with the band's layers and ends up making a mess out of it. Well, Amy and the band love his work (and the pandemic forced them into working solely with him), so... who am I to complain? lol I was excited when I learned they were going to use different producers on the album to ensure a diverse sound, but got mad when it was known Nick would be the sole producer. Damn Covid! I hope they don't work with him on the next album... Yep, loudness that causes ear fatigue has nothing to do with how loud a band is. It is the way the producer decides how many layers of what to keep and what instruments should be added to a song, and where all the instruments should drop out, etc. The mixing engineer is also part of this because he would have to balance out where the sounds are in the mix. Picturing you are in the audience and some instruments on stage would be in the back, to the side, up front, to the left in front, and sometimes, behind you. In a real setting, they would all be spaces out and not actually on top of each other, which is what this album sounds like. And in this case, since Nick is BOTH the producer and the mixing engineer, I put the blame on him. Hahaha
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Post by arlieimperfection on Apr 15, 2021 21:55:37 GMT -5
Regardless of mixing results, as an album the message we've been given is absolutely what I've needed in my life.
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Post by BridgeToClarity on Apr 15, 2021 23:02:31 GMT -5
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