TNT Powerhouse - Feb. 3, 2001 Questions

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So I was just listening to the snippet of Amy singing "The Dolphin's Cry" at TNT Powerhouse, and I was wondering:

1. When did this appear?

2. Does anyone know who it came from and/or how to contact them, and:

3. Does the full concert video exist?

Just curious, thanks

[DarkFlare89]

Okay so the TNT Powerhouse bootleg is the oldest known bootleg (until we had the 1999 one) that came to the EvCommunity roughly around mid-2003 (see posts below). EvBoard first discussed it (as far as I can tell) in August of 2004: www.evboard.com/dolphins-cry-17774.html

EvRoom has the discography of the set listed - the user who originally had the Dolphins Cry video posted it and was then posted on this website: evroom.webs.com/discographypart2.htm

1. Whisper
2. Even In Death
3. Everybody's Fool
4. The Dolphin's Cry
5. My Immortal
6. Don't Fear The Reaper
7. Where Will You Go
8. Imaginary
9. Away From Me
10.Anywhere

Some things from EvBoard:

i was under the impression that there was one person in the whole f*cking world that had any video of that show. and she wasn't sharing. as of a year ago.

This means that the EvCommunity had known about this bootleg since August of 2003 and the person who has it a woman, according to this post. However, I think the poster meant "he" since subsequent posts emphasize that it is a man (not a woman) who had this and wasn't sharing.

He apparently posted:

yes I have the entire show. I would like to know how to "rip" it,
but I won't be sharing it. I've already talked to wind up records
and they were talking about some copyright stuff, thats why I made
the clip of dolphins cry and not one of the other songs. I'm hoping
that they will purchase it so everyone can enjoy it.

Now THAT was stupid because Wind-Up is not interested in stuff like that and, while this was pre-YouTube days, it would have been nice if he just shared it to everyone because Evanescence fans should be awesome like that.

He just put up a 1,30 min ca clip, recorded with a digi cam or something from a tv in really, really crappy quality.

And this is how we got to The Dolphin's Cry clip we all have. Notice also the changed pronoun to "he" instead of "she". It remains this way throughout the EvBoard topic.

all they want to do is share it, but they can't because of copyright, so they're trying to sell it to Wind Up in hopes that they'll release it, although i very much doubt that Wind Up will buy the tape. too bad.

I find this unlikely, although by 2004 did Origin still have it's BigWig copyright? By then Amy + Ben had that interview which told the fans to download all of their old stuff, so I don't know what copyright the poster of the video was going on about. Besides, I thought live shows aren't per-se copyrighted (or whatever, hence why all the bootlegs exist of live songs). Or is that not the way it works? I mean, it seems kind of silly to say, for example, our 1999 live set is copyrighted or whatever, so what difference is there for the 2001 live set?

The person who has the video put up the setlist for the show.

The person apparently taped the entire show as well.

According to this person, here's the setlist:
Whisper
Even In Death
Everybody's Fool
The Dolphins Cry
My Immortal
Don't Fear The Reaper
Where Will You Go
Imaginary
Away From Me

the poster also said that they also may have done Anywhere.

I'm not posting the link because I don't want the poster in that Yahoo group to get hounded by questions.

But if this is true, whoever would own the tape would have the only known taped performances of Where Will You Go and Away From Me and the first known taped performances of Imaginary, My Immortal, Whisper, and Everybody's Fool...which is performed a full 2 years before Fallen came out.

This is very true, especially that early version of EF. This means that by EARLY 2001, EF was already written (and demoed? We may have an Origin-ish-era version of EF?! Or, perhaps more realistically, EF (along with MLB) are two we can correctly categorize as 2001 Demos, in comparison to (perhaps) Whisper, which is a 2002 demo - see Demo Topic).).

He calls himself ryan

Apparently the name of the person who has the video/the alias of the person

i was in that first one a coupla years ago that brad the theif started back before evboard existed. it's actually how i found out about evboard. gabe came in and said he'd put a message board on exodus. and that's how the leopard got its stripes.


he posted a lot of mp3s really early on for us before many people had them. even some he really really shouldn't have...

Note, this also is discussed in the Demo Topic, but it is an interesting insight as to how the first demos got released/shared to the EvCommunity back in 2002-2003 (as per Yahoo groups it seems; this includes the release of the Forbidden Song).

Another topic about this bootleg: www.evboard.com/is-it-or-not-32446.html

Another Question For Gabe...

Mr.Mellow: You said you used to go and see Ev all the time (before Fallen came out) I've always wondered what songs they played live before Fallen.....which ones did you hear them perform off the EP's and Origin?

Gabe: Oh lord... it's hard to remember. I think they played most everything off the first EP and Origin at different times.

EvenInDeath46: Gabe, would you happen to know or would you think that it's likely that any of those performances were recorded? A whole lot of fans would love to hear live versions of the EP and Origin songs. Perhaps you could do some snooping around in Little Rock, Arkansas and ask people if they recorded any performances. Lol.

Gabe: I know one show was videotaped, but the tape was never distributed, as far as I know. I tried to record part of the Origin release show, but my recorder crapped out on me.

EvenInDeath46: Which show was videotaped? Do you remember what year it was?

Gabe: It was at some church-run venue in Benton (or was it Bryant), AR. I think it was post-Origin and before they left for California, but I'm not sure on that. If so, that'd make it early 2001 probably.

One of the local Christian music scenesters was in the booth in the back with a camcorder. I can't remember who, though.

EvenInDeath46: I think that the concert setlist below may be the concert that you're talking about. Would you happen to know who was responsible for filming/recording it? And if you do know this person could you contact him/her? There is a little video and an audio file of part of "The Dolphins Cry" cover. Basically it's of someone filming a TV with his/her camcorder. So, I don't know... perhaps someone else had already filmed it and put it on a VCR for this other person to film with the camcorder. Anyways, below is the setlist, maybe you can confirm if this is indeed the concert you are refering to.

TNT Powerhouse in Bryant, Arkansas - February 3rd, 2001

1. Whisper
2. Even In Death
3. Everybody's Fool
4. The Dolphins Cry
5. My Immortal
6. Don't Fear The Reaper
7. Where Will You Go
8. Imaginary
9. Away From Me
10. Anywhere

Gabe: Yeah, that's the show I was thinking of! It was a good show, and that was the show where I met Amy's dad.

Unfortunately I don't remember who it was taping the show, and I've been away from that area and that scene for several years now.

EvenInDeath46: Okay, thanks for trying to help anyway. Well, were the Origin songs played like the album versions? Would you like the little audio clip of "The Dolphins Cry"? I don't have the video file, I could ask someone else to send it to me or upload it. I would gladly upload the audio clip of "The Dolphins Cry" for you.

WOOHOO! I just found this quote - HERE is the quote which said that (Gabe believes) all the songs on the first EP were played live at least once. And some other things about The Dolphin's Cry. This post was in 2006, so it is just rehashing some things.

I have no idea where he is now. I think he said if the label didn't pay him for that video, he was going to sell it on eBay. But we never heard from him again...

Although note that the EvBoarders ASSUMED that the guy was going to put it on E-Bay if Wind-Up didn't buy it, this is not something the guy actually said, so we cannot imply that that was his intention to do so.

The Dolphin's Cry:



Notice David Hodges is playing with the band, the only video we have of him doing such.

Aanndd that's all the information I have on this particular thing. It's a shame it didn't get released *agony*

[AeternusAmatorius]

I think I have a full version of The Dolphin's Cry Cover buy Evanescence. I'm not sure though as when I'm thinking about is on my desktop. I will check my desktop within the next few days for you guys. If I do have a full one, or a longer one, I will upload it for all of you.

[Deleted]

^Really? I didn't know a longer one existed...if that's true, thanks very much!

[evamynescence]

I am sad, because I have all the songs in live forms downloaded on my cell phone. I really wanted the lives of Away From Me and Anywhere. I'm dying to have them. While I don't think so, I'm asking Amy to play them at some show (which I think is difficult, as she doesn't like the origin). And I have one more doubt. Where Will You Go from this show is from the EP or Origin?

[mrmellow]

Jun 29, 2013 14:03:31 GMT -6 DarkFlare89 said:

Another Question For Gabe...

Mr.Mellow: You said you used to go and see Ev all the time (before Fallen came out) I've always wondered what songs they played live before Fallen.....which ones did you hear them perform off the EP's and Origin?

Gabe: Oh lord... it's hard to remember. I think they played most everything off the first EP and Origin at different times.

EvenInDeath46: Gabe, would you happen to know or would you think that it's likely that any of those performances were recorded? A whole lot of fans would love to hear live versions of the EP and Origin songs. Perhaps you could do some snooping around in Little Rock, Arkansas and ask people if they recorded any performances. Lol.

Gabe: I know one show was videotaped, but the tape was never distributed, as far as I know. I tried to record part of the Origin release show, but my recorder crapped out on me.

EvenInDeath46: Which show was videotaped? Do you remember what year it was?

Gabe: It was at some church-run venue in Benton (or was it Bryant), AR. I think it was post-Origin and before they left for California, but I'm not sure on that. If so, that'd make it early 2001 probably.

One of the local Christian music scenesters was in the booth in the back with a camcorder. I can't remember who, though.

EvenInDeath46: I think that the concert setlist below may be the concert that you're talking about. Would you happen to know who was responsible for filming/recording it? And if you do know this person could you contact him/her? There is a little video and an audio file of part of "The Dolphins Cry" cover. Basically it's of someone filming a TV with his/her camcorder. So, I don't know... perhaps someone else had already filmed it and put it on a VCR for this other person to film with the camcorder. Anyways, below is the setlist, maybe you can confirm if this is indeed the concert you are refering to.

TNT Powerhouse in Bryant, Arkansas - February 3rd, 2001

1. Whisper
2. Even In Death
3. Everybody's Fool
4. The Dolphins Cry
5. My Immortal
6. Don't Fear The Reaper
7. Where Will You Go
8. Imaginary
9. Away From Me
10. Anywhere

Gabe: Yeah, that's the show I was thinking of! It was a good show, and that was the show where I met Amy's dad.

Unfortunately I don't remember who it was taping the show, and I've been away from that area and that scene for several years now.

EvenInDeath46: Okay, thanks for trying to help anyway. Well, were the Origin songs played like the album versions? Would you like the little audio clip of "The Dolphins Cry"? I don't have the video file, I could ask someone else to send it to me or upload it. I would gladly upload the audio clip of "The Dolphins Cry" for you.

My GOD, I totally forgot about Gabe, and the ExodusEvanescence page. That was the first fan page for Ev I ever visited, and Amy actually used to appear and comment occasionally. Can't remember what her nickname on there was. Poor Gabe had a lot of shit with Evboard back in the day. I can't believe that's almost 20 years ago now. I've been an Ev fan for AGES!