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Post by arlieimperfection on May 28, 2020 3:04:47 GMT -5
Does anyone know about this version? It's kinda similar to Mystery version but sounds different, especialy "if you have to leave" line. youtu.be/z8GUFFRFS8USeems pretty identical to the Fallen version but the strings are soooo loud.
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Post by imnotbroken118 on Oct 3, 2021 22:36:27 GMT -5
Every time I listen to the Fallen or Origin version of this song I find myself loving David's backup vocals. I know they re-recorded the band version during the Fallen sessions with the intent to put it on the album but Wind-up decided to use the demo instead. I wonder if David was fired before they re-recorded it or if they made an intentional decision to record only Amy's vocals for backup. They keys sound more David-style than Amy so I guess I assume he was still around for the recording. I feel like there's so much mystery to David's story with the band. I listened to an in depth interview from him once and it filled in a lot of gaps but not everything. I'm surprised neither Amy or Ben ever really talked about him or his departure.
Also, I am just realizing that there is acoustic guitar in the same version(s) starting in the instrumental after the bridge. It's super drowned out in the strings on Fallen but you can still hear it. It's much more prominent on Origin. How have I heard this song a million times and never picked up on that?
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Post by dekrou on Oct 5, 2021 1:16:10 GMT -5
Every time I listen to the Fallen or Origin version of this song I find myself loving David's backup vocals. I know they re-recorded the band version during the Fallen sessions with the intent to put it on the album but Wind-up decided to use the demo instead. I wonder if David was fired before they re-recorded it or if they made an intentional decision to record only Amy's vocals for backup. But David's vocals are literally like 3 seconds long and yes, he recorded Keys in both Origin and band versions.
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Post by imnotbroken118 on Oct 6, 2021 18:18:37 GMT -5
Every time I listen to the Fallen or Origin version of this song I find myself loving David's backup vocals. I know they re-recorded the band version during the Fallen sessions with the intent to put it on the album but Wind-up decided to use the demo instead. I wonder if David was fired before they re-recorded it or if they made an intentional decision to record only Amy's vocals for backup. But David's vocals are literally like 3 seconds long and yes, he recorded Keys in both Origin and band versions. There are many 3-second moments in Ev songs that I love. It's the attention to the little details that makes their music so special.
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Post by Thomas on Oct 14, 2021 19:47:35 GMT -5
Every time I listen to the Fallen or Origin version of this song I find myself loving David's backup vocals. I know they re-recorded the band version during the Fallen sessions with the intent to put it on the album but Wind-up decided to use the demo instead. I wonder if David was fired before they re-recorded it or if they made an intentional decision to record only Amy's vocals for backup. They keys sound more David-style than Amy so I guess I assume he was still around for the recording. I feel like there's so much mystery to David's story with the band. I listened to an in depth interview from him once and it filled in a lot of gaps but not everything. I'm surprised neither Amy or Ben ever really talked about him or his departure. Also, I am just realizing that there is acoustic guitar in the same version(s) starting in the instrumental after the bridge. It's super drowned out in the strings on Fallen but you can still hear it. It's much more prominent on Origin. How have I heard this song a million times and never picked up on that? Yes, David was still around when they recorded Fallen, and he tracked piano and arranged some strings (according to the booklet, and Amy said she didn't play piano on Fallen, but wrote the notes), but he was fired after recordings were finished. Amy and Ben had a meeting with their label, and the label told them to fire David. This is what I remember from David's interview.
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Post by dekrou on Nov 24, 2023 6:30:00 GMT -5
Does anyone know about this version? It's kinda similar to Mystery version but sounds different, especialy "if you have to leave" line. youtu.be/z8GUFFRFS8USo it turns out that it was a strings version but with different mastering and with a reverb effect on the vocals
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Post by imnotbroken118 on Dec 3, 2023 15:15:03 GMT -5
So I'm really curious to learn more about this "Strings Version" of My Immortal. It seems like it's just meant to be the Band Version without the band but on top of the vocal being different, there are other different choices as well. For example, in the second verse the backing "oooh" vocal is replaced with strings. I bet there's no real story here, but I'd like to know where this version comes from.
The remasters also really bring out the piano and how beautifully David plays. The last chorus piano in the Strings Version sounds incredible.
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Post by DarkFlare89 on Dec 7, 2023 20:06:48 GMT -5
So I'm really curious to learn more about this "Strings Version" of My Immortal. It seems like it's just meant to be the Band Version without the band but on top of the vocal being different, there are other different choices as well. For example, in the second verse the backing "oooh" vocal is replaced with strings. I bet there's no real story here, but I'd like to know where this version comes from. The remasters also really bring out the piano and how beautifully David plays. The last chorus piano in the Strings Version sounds incredible. I've been thinking about this and I'm not quite sure what happened. At first, I thought Amy wanted the Band Version that she recorded with the other Fallen songs, but Wind-Up wanted the Origin Version + additional strings (becoming what we call the 'Fallen' Version) and went with that instead. Then, when Amy had more clout, she made sure that the version she wanted the entire time (i.e. the Band Version) was the one released on the Single. The EvReference even states this: Until near the end of 2002, the Fallen version (only piano) was played live. They then began playing the "band" version (with the rock ending), which later became the version they released as a single. The "band" version was the version Amy and Ben had originally recorded for Fallen with strings arrangements by David Campbell, who Amy wanted to work with and "fought" to have on the album NOW, with the release of the String Version, and the obvious similarities between it and the Mystary Version, I started thinking that Amy wanted the String Version on Fallen (because, obviously, the Mystary Version was like My Immortal's 2001-2002 demo. Think about it, My Immortal is the only demo from Fallen that doesn't quite have a demo other than the Mystary Version and it kinda sounds like what a demo of the String Version would be), Wind-Up did their thing, and Amy went and recorded a final version with the band after they acquiesced to her wishes to use 'updated' vocals and 'updated' instruments. The version of "My Immortal" used for the video and radio single isn't the same as the one off the band's record Fallen. Much to Lee's chagrin, Evanescence's label opted to use the band's demo version of the song on the record instead of the album recording.
"The label was stuck on the demo and wouldn't let us use the version we really wanted," Lee said. "We fought back and forth about it and finally we gave in, but we were all so angry about it."
A couple million album sales later, Evanescence have garnered the kind of clout that allows them to call some of the shots. So when "My Immortal" was decided upon as the next single, Evanescence elected to use their preferred recording of the song.
"The version that's on the album is the one everyone has gotten used to hearing, so it might be a little hard for them to accept a new version," she agreed. "But it's really hard for me to listen to the album version because we did it two years ago — it was just me and guitarist Ben [Moody], and I've grown so much as a performer since then."
Not only is Lee unhappy with her vocals, she dislikes just about everything about the demo version. "It's not even a real piano," she groaned. "And the sound quality is bad because we had to break into the studio to record it late at night when no one was around because we couldn't afford a real session."
The new version of "My Immortal" was recorded as a full band and features strings arranged by Beck's dad, David Campbell. While Lee sings the intimate lullaby, the song was written by Moody, and it is purely fictitious.
"That's the difference between us," Lee said. "Ben tends to write like a storyteller, and it's not necessarily from any kind of personal experience. I can't bring myself to write about anything I don't understand completely. For me, writing is always about some specific thing that's happened, so sometimes I feel a little distanced singing the song, but I still love it." SOURCEBut THEN I read this really interesting conversation on Reddit between notwritingasusual and Zealousideal-Fly-128 that I quite liked: It's a different "take" of the recording - the Band Version and the Strings version were recorded in the same session but different takes were used for the different versions.
In the strings version for example, Amy sings "If you have to leave..." in the band version we've had since 2003, she sings "And if you have to leave"... I never noticed that difference! So the regular version includes both the “and” + the “because” in “your presence still lingers here”; band version omits the because; string version omits both. The lyrics on Spotify for the tracks have them all the same however, interestingly. The remasters make it easier to tell the differences for sure. I always thought Amy’s vocal performance seems to evoke more sadness/helplessness in the regular version, and more of a “positive closure” in the band version. So if THAT'S the story, then okay I can understand - the String Version and the Band Version were both recorded at the same time (because they are two different vocal takes put towards two different instrumental-variations of My Immortal? I think?) that Wind-Up rejected both in favor of the Origin Version + additional strings. But then which one did Amy want on Fallen? String or Band? Like the Mystary EP was supposed to be a Fallen sampler thing according to Ben, so . . . this lends itself to the idea that, had Wind-Up not interfered, the Strings Version would be our 'Fallen' Version and the Band Version would just be a neat edition that we'd be getting now (decades into the future haha) instead of the other way around? Maybe by the time the third single was being released Amy decided a more band-orientated version of My Immortal was more appropriate over the Strings one? That's why she ultimately decided to make the Band Version the single over the Strings Version (since apparently both were recorded at the same time, so both had 'updated lyrics and instruments' which was important to Amy per the Quote above). Of course, had they just released the String Version on the single along with the Band Version then we'd be all set . . . Does anyone know about this version? It's kinda similar to Mystery version but sounds different, especialy "if you have to leave" line. youtu.be/z8GUFFRFS8USo it turns out that it was a strings version but with different mastering and with a reverb effect on the vocals Now what I'd like to know is how in the WORLD did this random compilation CD get their hands on an otherwise unheard of version of My Immortal, three years ago? Like, how did they get ACCESS to such a thing? Right from under our noses? I is confused
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Post by imnotbroken118 on Dec 8, 2023 13:59:20 GMT -5
DarkFlare89 - Thank you for putting so much time and effort into researching! Also, I'm glad I'm not the only one who was curious on all of this.
The "how did this person/channel end up with the strings version years ago" mystery is very strange. I actually remember stumbling across it while I was searching for leaks one day (don't judge me) and assumed it was just a fan edit to remove the band but now I actually am just really confused as well. There was a whole different version of My Immortal just sorta sitting there and I actually knew about it but made a wrong guess about it's validity. UGHHH!!! Lol.
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