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Post by VMNT on Mar 28, 2017 0:31:41 GMT -5
This has probably already been mentioned, but I think Amy has gotten a lot better with her transition point - especially live. Earlier on, she was definitely letting her larynx go perhaps a bit too high. It can come down to stylistic choice, especially in heavier genres, but it can certainly be very taxing if you dont keep it under control. Also, congratulations dannycastillo on your Master of Music! I've considered doing a similar course as well. Good on you!
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Post by calcol28 on Mar 28, 2017 20:37:01 GMT -5
Not really a reply to your comment, but you seem pretty knowledgeable about singing/vocal technique so I wanted to ask if you had a few favorite live vocal performances by Amy? Mine is definitely "The Session" of Lost In Paradise with just Amy and a piano in the big empty room. I think Amy does her best whenever she is performing acoustic sets (sans the harp, cause the harp makes her nervous). Let me dig up a few videos. Also, I just got my MM in vocal performance last summer, and I had to take all these vocal pedagogy classes, which is why I know a bit. From the top of my head, the 2006 AOL Sessions are one of her best vocal performances. Thats awesome man, congrats! I would definitely agree with the acoustic sets being her strongest vocal performances, and the AOL sessions are some of my favorites, too. I also like the really crappy quality BMTL with just Amy and Troy where Troy plays the wrong chord and Amy kinda goes "Naaaaaaaa-aaaaaah" before "Now that I know what I'm without". I'm really hoping that this new secret album project has something to do with acoustic performances. I'd absolutely love to hear songs like Imaginary, Weight of the World, and The Other Side performed in an acoustic setting.
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Post by dannycastillo on Mar 29, 2017 21:43:39 GMT -5
calcol28 I had never watched that performance in its entirety , but it's awesome that she improvised to fix the mistake. Wow!!! Thanks for sharing.
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Post by calcol28 on Mar 30, 2017 22:49:55 GMT -5
calcol28 I had never watched that performance in its entirety , but it's awesome that she improvised to fix the mistake. Wow!!! Thanks for sharing. Its definitely the best version of BMTL, in my opinion. I'm glad you liked it! I wish we had a better quality version though.
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Post by roy on Aug 12, 2017 2:59:30 GMT -5
dannycastillo, I'd love to talk to you about a few things regarding her voice since you know so much about vocals if that's Ok. 1) Is it easier to use head voice or falsetto than chest voice or belting? A lot of time when Amy sings live, she uses her head voice in certain parts of songs in place of the chest voice in studio versions. Some of the songs include Say You Will ("Say"), A New Way To Bleed ("reason to believe again"), Lacrymosa ("hold you back now love"), and MHIB ("goodbye"). 2) It seems the song that most noticeably displays her vocal evolution from Fallen to Evanescence is Going Under. For instance, in the past, when she sang the word "forever", she would sing the word entirely ("forevahahahah"). Now, more often than not, she sings it like "forevahah-aha", if you get what I mean. Do you think this is stylistic or is it easier on her voice?
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Post by dannycastillo on Aug 14, 2017 22:06:27 GMT -5
dannycastillo, I'd love to talk to you about a few things regarding her voice since you know so much about vocals if that's Ok. 1) Is it easier to use head voice or falsetto than chest voice or belting? A lot of time when Amy sings live, she uses her head voice in certain parts of songs in place of the chest voice in studio versions. Some of the songs include Say You Will ("Say"), A New Way To Bleed ("reason to believe again"), Lacrymosa ("hold you back now love"), and MHIB ("goodbye"). 2) It seems the song that most noticeably displays her vocal evolution from Fallen to Evanescence is Going Under. For instance, in the past, when she sang the word "forever", she would sing the word entirely ("forevahahahah"). Now, more often than not, she sings it like "forevahah-aha", if you get what I mean. Do you think this is stylistic or is it easier on her voice? Yay!!! I love talking about singing. It is easier on the voice (esp. females) to use head voice when singing high notes. However, there are some females with an undeveloped head voice (Amy, isn't one of them), so in that certain instance, belting/mixing would be ideal. However, with all that being said, I think "mixing" the head voice and chest voice to sing those notes is the best way to go. I think the choppy forevah-ah-ah-ah is just a stylistic choice. Pay close attention to her timbre, her range, and her ability to mix if you want a better look at her vocal evolution. One song I was really impressed by was Dirty Diana.
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Post by roy on Aug 15, 2017 1:30:02 GMT -5
dannycastillo , I'd love to talk to you about a few things regarding her voice since you know so much about vocals if that's Ok. 1) Is it easier to use head voice or falsetto than chest voice or belting? A lot of time when Amy sings live, she uses her head voice in certain parts of songs in place of the chest voice in studio versions. Some of the songs include Say You Will ("Say"), A New Way To Bleed ("reason to believe again"), Lacrymosa ("hold you back now love"), and MHIB ("goodbye"). 2) It seems the song that most noticeably displays her vocal evolution from Fallen to Evanescence is Going Under. For instance, in the past, when she sang the word "forever", she would sing the word entirely ("forevahahahah"). Now, more often than not, she sings it like "forevahah-aha", if you get what I mean. Do you think this is stylistic or is it easier on her voice? Yay!!! I love talking about singing. It is easier on the voice (esp. females) to use head voice when singing high notes. However, there are some females with an undeveloped head voice (Amy, isn't one of them), so in that certain instance, belting/mixing would be ideal. However, with all that being said, I think "mixing" the head voice and chest voice to sing those notes is the best way to go. I think the choppy forevah-ah-ah-ah is just a stylistic choice. Pay close attention to her timbre, her range, and her ability to mix if you want a better look at her vocal evolution. One song I was really impressed by was Dirty Diana. Thanks a lot! You cleared some things up for me. I appreciate it!
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Post by dannycastillo on Aug 18, 2017 18:37:15 GMT -5
Yay!!! I love talking about singing. It is easier on the voice (esp. females) to use head voice when singing high notes. However, there are some females with an undeveloped head voice (Amy, isn't one of them), so in that certain instance, belting/mixing would be ideal. However, with all that being said, I think "mixing" the head voice and chest voice to sing those notes is the best way to go. I think the choppy forevah-ah-ah-ah is just a stylistic choice. Pay close attention to her timbre, her range, and her ability to mix if you want a better look at her vocal evolution. One song I was really impressed by was Dirty Diana. Thanks a lot! You cleared some things up for me. I appreciate it! Anytime, roy!
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Post by Diegoville on Oct 18, 2017 17:50:21 GMT -5
So, new tour just started and I as already said in another thread I believe this project is really interesting and yet something I've already seen other artists do, for example Björk during her Vespertine tour (and Vulnicura too) along Florence + The Machine. Those two singers really showed off in that setting and I was excited to see Amy perform given that she would focus on her vocals mainly but I think that on the LA Show she had a hard time with some of the higher notes in NGB, MHIB and EOTD. I don't know anything about singing at all but I felt like her voice was straining and cracking (not in a purposeful way like Sia or Björk) anyway she sounded really exhausted and that was only the second show they had done.
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Post by TDS on Oct 18, 2017 19:47:47 GMT -5
From what I know, I think Amy has an incredible talent to project sounds and she has a wide range BUT she never learned to sing without straining herself. One of the first thing you learn when you sing is to be relaxed, from the jaw especially. She is rarely relaxed, even when she sings the begining of Your Star. I think it might help her (according to her) to focus on the sound but it does put strain on her vocal chords. I think she is also very expressive so it might be hard for her to think "Okay, what is the proper way to make that sound/reach that note ? Right, relax" because she is so into it haha
I am not a professionnal singer or teacher but I took singing lessons and I had this tendency to put my jaw forward when singing and to not relax, and I'm 100% sure I got this from Amy because I watched so many performances.
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Post by swanlake000 on Oct 19, 2017 2:05:15 GMT -5
So, new tour just started and I as already said in another thread I believe this project is really interesting and yet something I've already seen other artists do, for example Björk during her Vespertine tour (and Vulnicura too) along Florence + The Machine. Those two singers really showed off in that setting and I was excited to see Amy perform given that she would focus on her vocals mainly but I think that on the LA Show she had a hard time with some of the higher notes in NGB, MHIB and EOTD. I don't know anything about singing at all but I felt like her voice was straining and cracking (not in a purposeful way like Sia or Björk) anyway she sounded really exhausted and that was only the second show they had done. I sort of agree with you (keeping in mind that I also slightly critisized her vocals after the first show), but I would point out that the 3rd show in Phoenix was already on a higher level when it comes to vocal performance. I have noticed also previously that when they start a new tour, after the first show I'm a bit 'meh', but it takes 2-3 shows for her until she really "gets it". And that is very understandable of course. Additionally, if you listen to any clips from soundchecks, she always(?) sounds better than in the actual show. As said, I still don't disagree with you completely - there definitely are areas in her range that should be worked on, and I don't enjoy that struggling/straining either. We all know Amy is not a fan of vocal coaching, but I just hope she would give it a chance. Going from really good to perfect would be totally doable for her.
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Post by Rarkphoenix on Oct 19, 2017 3:18:19 GMT -5
I remember being blown away during soundcheck earlier this year (more than usual), but I put that down to it being a fairly big venue and no audience. There was a lot more natural reverb affecting her voice so it seemed a lot warmer and fuller and more difficult to hear any 'straining' (I'm not really a singer so I tend to misuse that word a lot), so I think a lot of it is just what mics/vocal chain/room ambience does to her voice. I know I absolutely hate singing in my bedroom for example because it's carpeted, a roof room and full of amps and other junk so the sound just goes nowhere (at least, that's the excuse I give for being a shite singer ). It's been pointed out that the mics they used for the recording on Synthesis seem to bring out a much thinner/colder sound on the vocals. I'm not sure what mics they're using live and I haven't listened to any live recordings so I don't know what impact this is having - but I remember having this discussion with some pretty knowledgeable folks on here when the Synthesis version of Bring Me to Life was first released. Potentially, any moment of 'strain' or at least heightened effort could be magnified or at least highlighted by other factors. Not saying the straining isn't there, because it might be, I'm still not certain on the definition and I obviously haven't heard what you're all hearing, just that anything that sounds like straining or even the straining itself may be clearer than usual dependent on conditions.
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Post by james354 on Oct 19, 2017 8:20:02 GMT -5
I agree with Diegoville, there were instances on the first couple of shows that were slightly painful to listen to (EOTD/LIP/MHIB). However, after listening to the 3rd show in Phoenix, Amy's voice sounded much better. I'm not a singing expert, but for example, when I listened to the latest LIP in Phoenix, Amy belts the lyrics more in the second chorus which produces a much richer, more powerful sound and she's also more in tune. I think she should try belting more often, not shouting but using more power behind her vocals as it generally produces a cleaner more in-tune sound.
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Post by ktrn90 on Oct 19, 2017 9:35:44 GMT -5
So interesting that one of the first things that I was taught when taking vocal lessons, before even breathing techniques was to relax my face, which for me meant primarily my eyebrows, it helps so much! its like the air flows better when everything is less tense and relaxed in the face before even implementing breathing techniques.
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Post by The_Sacrificed on Oct 19, 2017 17:24:02 GMT -5
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