Fourth album ideas?

[Deleted]

At the same time though, her lyrics have gotten better in some ways. Like... In SH, ET, and EotD, she's at her lyrical best... Songs that seem like the writer had some kind of plan for where the song was going. Then we have MHiB, LiP or TC, where the lyrics occasionally have very little depth or seem to serve little purpose. I don't think another lyricist is the answer though if she could just look at her own work objectively. An objective writer would see the overuse of the same words and concepts and think "How can I express this feeling in a different way?", while Amy seems to write more instinctively on most songs... Which is great in its own way, but she has developed a reputation as a bit of a one-trick pony if reviews are anything to judge by.

[Open The Door]

I personally love the choir, but I do agree with above. It should be used in a new way, and on a few songs. Here it what I think should on the new album:

1. More Amy
I would love to hear more "Amy Songs", songs like Good Enough. I would also like to hear a few songs without the band, just Amy; a few songs like Together Again.
2. A Few Piano Ballads
I love Amy and her piano songs. She should do more, and also, like said before, challenge herself, and make a little more complex piano arrangements. I know she can do it.
3. A Collaboration
I would love to hear one collaboration song, like with Lzzy Hale or Ben Burnley or someone. (Or both, hahaha)

Those are the only real specifics I can think of right now. I'd like to hear Your Love, but I wouldn't mind if it wasn't on the album. I would just like to hear some more EvSongs. Amy is very talented, so I'm sure she will impress us with anything she writes. But more piano!

[Kazlan]

I feel like the one thing that Fallen still has going for it is the rock-to-ballad-ratio. I know that LiP is a ballad (I kind of consider it a power ballad, but it's virtually the same thing), but it's kind of too loud, you know what I mean? On the straight up non-deluxe Ev3 disc, it's loud until the beginning of LiP and it doesn't take enough of a break before it gets loud again, finishing with the lovely Swimming Home. The fact that Fallen had My Immortal and Hello in the places they're in was fantastic to break up the rock, and so... yeah.

I'd like one or two ballads, quiet ballads (they can get louder near the end, but mostly quiet would be fantastic) and the final song to be a bombastic finale. Of course, I will love the album no matter what.

[marycourage]

I totally agree Kazlan I think that was one part that Ev3 lacked. Those quieter moments in between all the heavy ones. Ev3 is very fast paced and it's a bit tiring to listen through it all. Don't get me wrong I love every single song on the album. but a simple piano song would have made such a huge difference.

Or perhaps Secret Door should have been placed somewhere among the heavier songs.

[StormsxSaints]

I'd actually like to see more "fun" songs, if that makes any sense. Songs that are sarcastic, and humorous.

[Deleted]

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I agree with that...

(This started as a reply to the above post... But I got lost in thought and started ranting about something else)

Interestingly though, it always seems that there is a correlation between popularity and Amy's level of feistiness. The more direct and cheeky she is, the less popular the song is (among vocal fans, at least). CMWYS and WYW are among the most under-appreciated songs they've ever released. The same argument could be made for the vulnerable songs not being as popular either... Something like The Change or My Immortal is not vulnerability, it's emotional accessibility. There's a big difference, but they are often confused.... Take a song like Good Enough, which has been and always will be a more polarizing song among fans, and you have an artist being truly vulnerable, both lyrically and stylistically, taking emotional and musical risks. Then there's MHiB and NGB, which could be interpreted as an artist being vulnerable, but are more akin to big grand gestures for a real human to hide behind rather than expose their innards with. The songs aren't about her personal experiences, they come form her empathy for people's suffering, so the appeal comes more from feeding into the prevalence of the average Ev-fan's love of all things morose. Back to CMWYS, where it shockingly combines directness, feistiness, AND vulnerability, which seems to be something a lot of people don't understand about the song. Lyrical simplicity doesn't cancel out lyrical significance... Or, Erase This, which betrays itself with an aggressive sound masking one of very few (if not the only) songs where the artist stops blaming everything and everyone else and finds her own inner demons to be responsible... This contradicts much of what she says in many other songs, thus providing the other side of those stories, and even exposing the artist's own hypocrisy in a way... Which is real vulnerability.

My point: I want more songs that leave Amy as an artist truly vulnerable through musical/stylistic risks and some serious self-examination.

[thelastghost]

Aah, anything as long as we get a 4th album. Ha, just kidding.

Thinking seriously, I would like something that's between TOD and Ev3. I missed choir in Evanescence, so I definitely want it on a new record in addition to an orchestra back-up in some songs. I would love to hear more bass and drums, too. A drum solo maybe.

To summarize it, I would like to have a 60% of TOD and 40% of Ev3... But in a new way of course.

[calcol28]

Do you guys think we should do a 4th album challenge thread like we did on the old Evthreads?
It was one of my favourite things about the old forum. It's so much fun to pass the time between albums!
X was so great with it last time. I'd be very interested in doing it again!
Anyone else?

[Drifter]

Apr 28, 2013 22:21:29 GMT -6 calcol28 said:

Do you guys think we should do a 4th album challenge thread like we did on the old Evthreads?
It was one of my favourite things about the old forum. It's so much fun to pass the time between albums!
X was so great with it last time. I'd be very interested in doing it again!
Anyone else?

Hmm, how would that work? I vaguely remember that thread, but not what happened in it. But it sounds fun, so I'd probably do it. 

[calcol28]

Apr 28, 2013 22:30:12 GMT -6 Drifter said:

Apr 28, 2013 22:21:29 GMT -6 calcol28 said:

Do you guys think we should do a 4th album challenge thread like we did on the old Evthreads?
It was one of my favourite things about the old forum. It's so much fun to pass the time between albums!
X was so great with it last time. I'd be very interested in doing it again!
Anyone else?

Hmm, how would that work? I vaguely remember that thread, but not what happened in it. But it sounds fun, so I'd probably do it. 

We basically just came up with what we wanted the album to be like.
Amy even popped in once and expressed her amusement with the thread.
Examples of "challenges" we did were Album Cover, Tracklist, Magazine Articles, Single choices, etc. etc.
It was so much fun and I would really love to be a part of it again!

[Worm Baby]

^ Oooh I remember that! I actually participated a bit and it was really fun. I'd like if we did it again.

[carolexodus]

Apr 28, 2013 14:28:41 GMT -6 @melt said:

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I agree with that...

(This started as a reply to the above post... But I got lost in thought and started ranting about something else)

Interestingly though, it always seems that there is a correlation between popularity and Amy's level of feistiness. The more direct and cheeky she is, the less popular the song is (among vocal fans, at least). CMWYS and WYW are among the most under-appreciated songs they've ever released. The same argument could be made for the vulnerable songs not being as popular either... Something like The Change or My Immortal is not vulnerability, it's emotional accessibility. There's a big difference, but they are often confused.... Take a song like Good Enough, which has been and always will be a more polarizing song among fans, and you have an artist being truly vulnerable, both lyrically and stylistically, taking emotional and musical risks. Then there's MHiB and NGB, which could be interpreted as an artist being vulnerable, but are more akin to big grand gestures for a real human to hide behind rather than expose their innards with. The songs aren't about her personal experiences, they come form her empathy for people's suffering, so the appeal comes more from feeding into the prevalence of the average Ev-fan's love of all things morose. Back to CMWYS, where it shockingly combines directness, feistiness, AND vulnerability, which seems to be something a lot of people don't understand about the song. Lyrical simplicity doesn't cancel out lyrical significance... Or, Erase This, which betrays itself with an aggressive sound masking one of very few (if not the only) songs where the artist stops blaming everything and everyone else and finds her own inner demons to be responsible... This contradicts much of what she says in many other songs, thus providing the other side of those stories, and even exposing the artist's own hypocrisy in a way... Which is real vulnerability.

My point: I want more songs that leave Amy as an artist truly vulnerable through musical/stylistic risks and some serious self-examination.

That's the aspect of TOD that i liked the most, especially after all the lyrics from Fallen where Amy was always the victim. On Tod, she sort of took a look at herself to the point she started taking some responsability and acknowdleged her mistakes to try to find a way to lead a better personal life by taking wiser decisions instead of blaming it all on the outside. It was the most reflexive i have heard from her 'till that moment. I'd really like her to write among the lines of Alanis Morisette's "Supossed Former Infatuation Junkie" album. I don't mean using the same writing technic, because it's a mess, but going very deep in her own personality, fears, guiltyness, happyness, every possible human emotion she can explore, just like Alanis did. That's my favorite alanis album ever for that reason.

I agree about the fun songs, although i'm not the biggest fan of WYW, but i've always wondered what "You've got a lot to learn" was about.

[jessicawhatsername]

I agree with you guys, Wind Up has been holding Evanescence back in creative senses.

[rionka]

My current obsessive fourth album idea is: AMY'S RED HAIR. I want the red-hair themed album. With all the structures and ornamentation that you can possibly get from it (i'm a long hair person with very complicated love to drawing hair on people based on their moods, so I'm kind of stucked on the idea now). Besides, there should be the red Evanescence era after all. We had the blue Fallen one, then the golden Victorian themes on TOD and then the sparkling visions of light on EV3. There should be something differently structured now, including twigs and branches of course and Amy's hair please. (I'm still talking about visuals cause her hair is unbelievable which I said before and I need to repeat).

[Deleted]

^

Hmmm... With the icy colors of Fallen, the earth tones of TOD, and the purple of Ev3. We're due for red/orange, blue/green, etc... Heh. What color will the next album be?