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Post by AeternusAmatorius on May 18, 2013 14:52:17 GMT -5
Instrumental Demos 1, 2, 3 and 4 are on the OneTen Management CD that surfaced on eBay. That disc had Together Again (most likely a demo since it had a longer intro) If You Don't Mind, The Last Song I'm Wasting on You, and those 4 songs. If you click on the links in the notes that are provided next to them, you will see. Lol, I know that. But how do we know those aren't some random instrumentals the eBay seller put on the CD? Do you know if the CD is official? Being that Amy contacted her manager and the manager contacted the seller and the seller was told to take it down and not to sell it or even try to sell it, makes me think it's legit even if the reason was because IYDM was on there. Plus it has the OneTen management logo and the Ev logo. I'm pretty sure that's a legit CD even though it's a CD-R. The eBay seller got it from someone who was working with the management at the time or something like that. It's not unusual for managers and others working for the management to give out CDs like this. I don't think it was put together by the guy selling the disc. Ring: I have deleted the notes in the Rumored Songs section for Hello (Demo 2) and My Last Breath (Demo 2). They are not in the Making of Fallen videos.
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Post by DarkFlare89 on May 19, 2013 1:05:07 GMT -5
My link under the P songs links the Italian version so others who view the thread know I obtained my source (for that particular title) from a pretty reputable place for the EvCommunity. I also don't see a link to Stompin' Steve on the English version of EvRef (neither in the "Songs" section nor "Everything from A-Z"). I forgot to add it to A-Z. It's on the EvSongs tab (that thing in the right that links to all of Evanescence's songs). bfdx were you the one who has been adding all that info into the EvRef song list? If so, then much praise be bestowed upon you! The EvRef is absolutely wonderful with your updates. Me & You finally makes an appearance (I've been waiting so long for that to happen - I mean if Spanish can be on there, why not Me & You?), as does the Stompin Steve song (which was on the Italian EvRef for the LONGEST time, as was the instrumentals and the quote about the Unknown Song from Amy) and so forth. So now the English EvRef is on par with the Italian EvRef, a long needed update. And I see some of the sources from my song pages have found their way onto the EvRef. This is excellent! That's the whole point of all of this; to make sure that as much info as possible (with sources) gets onto the pages. Great, great job! Also, I know Double A you've been doing some work on EvRef as well - so I give kudos to both of you. Ring: I have deleted the notes in the Rumored Songs section for Hello (Demo 2) and My Last Breath (Demo 2). They are not in the Making of Fallen videos. Double A, I think my Rumor Mill posting is the source of the confusion here. There are two parts to the 2001 - 2002 Demo rumors - one is the "potential" demos, as per logic that every demo has at least two versions or more, and thus I speculated that MLB, Hello, and Whisper should in theory have more than one as well. Yet again, does this mean that BNM and FA also have another version by said logic? Do the only ones that have one version are the four demos (AFY/BTD/Bleed/Surrender) + Lies? Why does Imaginary get two Post-Origin demos and Whisper and Lies get only one? I dunno - maybe I should remove that category. What do you think? The other category, i.e. the demos we heard from the Making of Fallen, are a more concrete example of rumored songs (Going Under v2 & v3, for example). The only one that is a special case is BMTL v3 - or the one that has the "wake me from dreaming, save me from nothing" piano part in it. Since Amy/Ben talked specifically about that demo, we have more meat in that rumor than the others. I'll be updating my stuff sometime soon. I have to update my Remix List, the Rumor Mill (I'm still considering removing the WWYG Pre-Origin Demo from the list, since I think it might very well have been a live rendition of the song rather than a completely different version.), and maybe doing Tourniquet's song page. Mmaayybbee
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Post by AeternusAmatorius on May 19, 2013 1:56:59 GMT -5
Also, I know Double A you've been doing some work on EvRef as well - so I give kudos to both of you. Ring: I have deleted the notes in the Rumored Songs section for Hello (Demo 2) and My Last Breath (Demo 2). They are not in the Making of Fallen videos. Double A, I think my Rumor Mill posting is the source of the confusion here. There are two parts to the 2001 - 2002 Demo rumors - one is the "potential" demos, as per logic that every demo has at least two versions or more, and thus I speculated that MLB, Hello, and Whisper should in theory have more than one as well. Yet again, does this mean that BNM and FA also have another version by said logic? Do the only ones that have one version are the four demos (AFY/BTD/Bleed/Surrender) + Lies? Why does Imaginary get two Post-Origin demos and Whisper and Lies get only one? I dunno - maybe I should remove that category. What do you think? The other category, i.e. the demos we heard from the Making of Fallen, are a more concrete example of rumored songs (Going Under v2 & v3, for example). The only one that is a special case is BMTL v3 - or the one that has the "wake me from dreaming, save me from nothing" piano part in it. Since Amy/Ben talked specifically about that demo, we have more meat in that rumor than the others. I'll be updating my stuff sometime soon. I have to update my Remix List, the Rumor Mill (I'm still considering removing the WWYG Pre-Origin Demo from the list, since I think it might very well have been a live rendition of the song rather than a completely different version.), and maybe doing Tourniquet's song page. Mmaayybbee Oh! I haven't been working on the EvRef. I signed up and everything and for some reason I was unable to edit stuff and then my account stopped working and then was deleted... Plus I don't understand the interface of the EvRef when it's in the Edit part. HTML coding and stuff is confusing to me. No! Don't remove it! I'll go look at it later in the week (I'm still doing the differences between MHIB versions as I have been really busy lately and only had yesterday and today to chill out) and give you feed back on what was confusing to me and what could possibly use a little more explanation. But I understand now. Haha. I think the confusion about the other demos for Hello and My Last Breath originated from one of the now defunct EvForums. There are two post Origin demos for Whisper: what some call Whisper 2002 and the String outro one heard on Making of Fallen Part 1 (which, in theory, Whisper should have at least one or two more based off of the epic version that is on Fallen - you can get that from the measly, messy, rough demos heard in MOF; it has to grow). In my opinion, the final song is not THAT much different from their demo probably most likely only had one demo, even though in theory they should have at least two. Though this is just my logic and don't quote it as fact. Haha! Another theory, from the demos, the songs that didn't make the first cut as possible contenders for *an* album, didn't have a second demo. Remember that Ev went into pre-production in 2001, so obviously the other songs (like Anything for You/Surrender/Lies Post Origin/BTD) were not even taken to the studio in 2001 as they were probably not even considered for Fallen. They could have possibly been considered for another possible EP or Demo album, thus not being considered for the breakthrough album once Amy and Ben got the OK to go to NY and start recording. Also remember that Amy an Ben were writing in their apartment when they were living in Tennessee (according to Pete Mathews) while Pete was introducing Origin to labels. So this could be where the songs with only one demo could have been recorded. Also take into consideration that Amy and Ben wanted Imaginary to blow the people in LR out of their socks with that song, so it would obviously have multiple demos after Origin. Also, there are those 'Wake me from dreaming' BMTL demos that we don't even have, as you have mentioned. So logically thinking/speaking, there are demos (after 2000 - not including the demos before 2000 because those are obvious as Amy has said "even the most dedicated fan wouldn't know of the demos we have" paraphrasing) that we don't even have. PLUS there are the Lillywhite (2009) demos that we don't have and the other 1 or 2 song(s) from TOD. And there are now those Instrumental demos 1-4 we just recently found out about. So yeah. Ugh. Why can't artists just release their demos (all of their demos) for those fans who like to do this nich-picking and databasing and have that level of dedication that we have... That's it. Someone needs to hack Wind-Up's computer and Amy's computer to get these demos and b-sides. (kidding... a little)
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Post by Ring on May 19, 2013 5:47:28 GMT -5
bfdx were you the one who has been adding all that info into the EvRef song list? If so, then much praise be bestowed upon you! The EvRef is absolutely wonderful with your updates. Me & You finally makes an appearance (I've been waiting so long for that to happen - I mean if Spanish can be on there, why not Me & You?), as does the Stompin Steve song (which was on the Italian EvRef for the LONGEST time, as was the instrumentals and the quote about the Unknown Song from Amy) and so forth. So now the English EvRef is on par with the Italian EvRef, a long needed update. And I see some of the sources from my song pages have found their way onto the EvRef. This is excellent! That's the whole point of all of this; to make sure that as much info as possible (with sources) gets onto the pages. Great, great job! :) I'm the one who's updating EvRef, yes. Thank you! I'm doing my best. And DhammaSeeker recently made me an administrator. Yay! and maybe doing Tourniquet's song page. Mmaayybbee :P Yes please. c:
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Post by Open The Door on May 19, 2013 13:04:47 GMT -5
I was listening to Pandora, and discovered this. It's probably a mistake, right? Attachments:
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Post by AeternusAmatorius on May 19, 2013 16:06:57 GMT -5
What exactly do you mean by "a mistake"?
Together Again is/was a single. It was a single in 2010. Amy released it for Haitian Relief from the Earthquakes. Anyone who donated at least $5 would get the song as a download. Then it was released on iTunes as a digital single. There is *apparently* a physical copy, though this has not been confirmed.
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Post by Open The Door on May 19, 2013 16:13:19 GMT -5
No, no, no. I know it's a single. I meant the part where it says radio single.
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Post by AeternusAmatorius on May 19, 2013 16:26:04 GMT -5
No, no, no. I know it's a single. I meant the part where it says radio single. Is that version different from the one that was released on iTunes? I don't think it was/is a radio single, so it may be a typo. I've never heard it on the radio but then again, I never hear Ev songs on the radio. Can anyone else elaborate on this?
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Post by DarkFlare89 on May 19, 2013 16:32:51 GMT -5
No, no, no. I know it's a single. I meant the part where it says radio single. Is that version different from the one that was released on iTunes? I don't think it was/is a radio single, so it may be a typo. I've never heard it on the radio but then again, I never hear Ev songs on the radio. Can anyone else elaborate on this? Nah, I think it is just Pandora being weird with the labels. I mean, didn't another website's database have a Lithium (Clean Version) as one of their labels? I think, since TA was released as a "single," that they assumed it was a radio single and not an internet one.
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Post by AeternusAmatorius on May 19, 2013 20:28:42 GMT -5
Is that version different from the one that was released on iTunes? I don't think it was/is a radio single, so it may be a typo. I've never heard it on the radio but then again, I never hear Ev songs on the radio. Can anyone else elaborate on this? Nah, I think it is just Pandora being weird with the labels. I mean, didn't another website's database have a Lithium (Clean Version) as one of their labels? I think, since TA was released as a "single," that they assumed it was a radio single and not an internet one. Well there is a Lithium (Clean Version). It's the label used on the data on some non-US TOD releases. I had a conversation about this with another member, and they sent me their "Clean Version" and the data in the file literally said Lithium (Clean Version).
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Post by lostindarkparadise on May 23, 2013 11:25:57 GMT -5
Where'd you get the information for the Non-acoustic version of October? I think that would be interesting.
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Post by AeternusAmatorius on May 23, 2013 13:38:00 GMT -5
Where'd you get the information for the Non-acoustic version of October? I think that would be interesting. Most likely from one of the now defunct EvForums. DarkFlare89 should know the exact forum where it came from. It's essentially EvLore.
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Post by DarkFlare89 on May 23, 2013 15:12:49 GMT -5
Where'd you get the information for the Non-acoustic version of October? I think that would be interesting. Most likely from one of the now defunct EvForums. DarkFlare89 should know the exact forum where it came from. It's essentially EvLore. Originally on Field of Innocence Fan Site (v2) the song "October" was put in two places - the 1997 - 1998 Demo section and the "other songs" section, with the label October (EP Version). EvenInDeath46 postulated that there were two versions, since at the time he couldn't download both (since he didn't have WinRAR at the time). He eventually realized that they were the same thing. This occurred during the Summer of 2005. As time went on, however, people began thinking that it may very well have been possible that the October version that we have is an acoustic version of an unheard-of original version. It would be a similar situation as if we only had the Understanding (Acoustic) and not the two EP versions to go by. The same could be of October. One hit against this theory, however, is that for just an "acoustic" version, Amy + Ben seemed to put a lot of effort into it, judging by the dual-vocals and the like. So it is likely that this EvRumour is untrue. But it is interesting food for thought nonetheless.
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Post by AeternusAmatorius on May 23, 2013 15:57:46 GMT -5
Most likely from one of the now defunct EvForums. DarkFlare89 should know the exact forum where it came from. It's essentially EvLore. Originally on Field of Innocence Fan Site (v2) the song "October" was put in two places - the 1997 - 1998 Demo section and the "other songs" section, with the label October (EP Version). EvenInDeath46 postulated that there were two versions, since at the time he couldn't download both (since he didn't have WinRAR at the time). He eventually realized that they were the same thing. This occurred during the Summer of 2005. As time went on, however, people began thinking that it may very well have been possible that the October version that we have is an acoustic version of an unheard-of original version. It would be a similar situation as if we only had the Understanding (Acoustic) and not the two EP versions to go by. The same could be of October. One hit against this theory, however, is that for just an "acoustic" version, Amy + Ben seemed to put a lot of effort into it, judging by the dual-vocals and the like. So it is likely that this EvRumour is untrue. But it is interesting food for thought nonetheless. lol. Wow. Yeah, because there can't be an official studio acoustic song that has a non-acoustic version to it... *eyeroll*
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Post by AeternusAmatorius on May 25, 2013 0:35:54 GMT -5
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