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Post by EvanescentEvil on Jan 14, 2013 13:41:51 GMT -5
Terry confirmed it in this interview: Wow, I have completely forgotten about this interview! This clears all up. Thanks! Amy has never officially admitted that Wind-up was the reason behind this, right? If I remember correctly, she kept saying that she realised herself those songs from Lillywhite era weren't Evanescence-ish enough and they had to work more. This makes me think that she still feels a bit repressed and the next album (solo or not) will probably be the way she wanted it to be back then.. NWTB was written closely (can't think of a better word) after TOD tour ended. I thought NWTB was implied to be about the John/Rocky situation. Think there was a radio interview of this, but I can't find it now.
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Post by AeternusAmatorius on Jan 14, 2013 15:28:05 GMT -5
NWTB was written closely (can't think of a better word) after TOD tour ended. really? she was pissed off with them even back then? lol how do you know it was written back then? Yeah. They wanted Evanescence to re-do the entire TOD album but Amy stuck to her ground (with support from her dad) and apparently she was pretty convincing since they agreed to go ahead with TOD. I can't seems to remember the interview/article where she said that NWTB was written shortly after TOD tour ended. Terry confirmed it in this interview: Wow, I have completely forgotten about this interview! This clears all up. Thanks! Amy has never officially admitted that Wind-up was the reason behind this, right? If I remember correctly, she kept saying that she realised herself those songs from Lillywhite era weren't Evanescence-ish enough and they had to work more. This makes me think that she still feels a bit repressed and the next album (solo or not) will probably be the way she wanted it to be back then.. NWTB was written closely (can't think of a better word) after TOD tour ended. I thought NWTB was implied to be about the John/Rocky situation. Think there was a radio interview of this, but I can't find it now. I'm listening to the interview where Amy said whatever she said about NWTB. I'll put it up on YouTube because there's a discussion about this in the NWTB thread as well.
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Post by DarkFlare89 on Jan 15, 2013 16:49:46 GMT -5
really? she was pissed off with them even back then? lol how do you know it was written back then? Yeah. They wanted Evanescence to re-do the entire TOD album but Amy stuck to her ground (with support from her dad) and apparently she was pretty convincing since they agreed to go ahead with TOD. I can't seems to remember the interview/article where she said that NWTB was written shortly after TOD tour ended. That's super confusing though! I listened to the Rock Radio Interview you posted in that thread and while she does say "that song is the closest to sort of our, our moment from the Open Door" but yet she said right before that, that NWTB "was a song that Terry and I worked on together about a year ago." That would be 2011 - since this interview happened in 2012. Also, what exact moment is she refering to? She then talks about the Open Door but only in reference to what the song's inspiration was, not when it was written. I also seem to remember (I *think* it was in the same interview? Let me check . . .) where she couldn't remember if NWTB was from Lillywhite or not (hence, that would assume it is a borderline song between the Lillywhite and the EV LP era, not a post-TOD pre-Lillywhite era thing.) Also, it seems like "Sick" and "NWTB" are both about the label - but "Sick," since it has Will as a writer, is from the Lillywhite Sessions (as you said in the other thread). Maybe "Sick" is in reference to their pressures on the Lillywhite Sessions (which eventually boiled over and Wind-Up forced them to do something else) and "New Way To Bleed" is a reference in general to Wind-Up sucking but also that really tense time during the creation of/"moments of" TOD. I think DoubleA was referring to this interview that John Lee gave (on EvBoard) about how Amy had to fight for TOD to be accepted as it was. NOTICE that John says TOD had 17 tracks, one less than what Amy said (16) and two less than what Renee said (18): They recorded about seventeen tracks (If I remember right) and then had to fly to New York for the big meeting around the conference table with the higher-ups at Wind-Up Records [. . .]The initial meeting turned out badly. Amy called home and was very disappointed. Wind-Up did not like the new material. They didn't hear the "hit" and they were considering scrapping the whole thing and making the band start over.
What a frustrating time. Art is a very personal thing and is very close to the soul of the artist. It's easy to get down and feel rejected. We did our best to continue to encourage Amy. I asked, "Are you guys happy with the songs?." Amy was adamant! She said it was a wonderful piece of art and she was very pleased with it. She liked it even better than the first one. I suggested that she fight for the album [. . .] Everyone has an opinion. I recommended that she remind the head honcho that she wasn't writing the album for him, but for a younger demographic. So, back she went to New York. This time she would not be denied. She was very passionate during that meeting and said that she had tears in her eyes when she stood up and boldly let them know that they (the older execs) weren't supposed to "get it." She said, "It's not written for you and if you can't relate to it, then that's perfect. You aren't supposed to relate to it!" Apparently, she was pretty pursuasive. They gave the green-light to move forward with the album. What a great feeling for the band. So . . . yeah . . . I take it that Wind-Up went on a limb and green-lit TOD for Amy but since TOD didn't make as much money as Fallen did they were much more resistant to giving Amy another limb. So as Amy was making album #3, they were pressuring her to "make the hit" since that would be the last album with Wind-Up ("hold on little girl, the end is soon to come" = "Sick" as a Lillywhite song) and when they (Wind-Up) heard Lillywhite they rejected it. So Amy had to go to work again ("is this the end of everything, or just a new way to bleed" = "NWTB" as an EV LP song). That's what I think the connection between Sick & NWTB are. And Wind-Up needs to sit themselves down. They screwed up with so many things, like with the EF Single (not releasing Imaginary, like Amy wanted); screwed up the Litihium Single (not releasing it on time); canceling the GE Single (because . . . who knows); who knows what went on with the LIP video/single. Amy seemed to also want "The Change" as a single (I believe in the Morocco interview, she wasn't sure what was going to be released when, but made some mention about wanting "The Change" to be a single, despite Wind-Up doing whatever they want, whenever they want). That's my spiel.
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Post by EvanescentEvil on Jan 15, 2013 20:50:10 GMT -5
^ That is one impressive ''digging''. Well done
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Post by AeternusAmatorius on Jan 15, 2013 23:00:45 GMT -5
DarkFlare: I remember reading on the old EvThreads (maybe it was EvBoard) someone say that Amy said that NWTB was written close to the TOD era. I asked for a link and they sent it to me. Now, I may be wrong but this is what I remember... lol.
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Post by Lycrymosa on Jan 15, 2013 23:08:19 GMT -5
I think Wind-Up need to come in here and read that, it really puts into perspective what asses they have been right from the get go of adding rap into BMTL, to stuffing up singles releases, to just out right not being supportive of Amy's creativity.
Also in an interview sometime when Amy said we can't release the Lillywhite songs due to our contract unless they get rewritten and Lillywhites comments on twitter saying that the songs belong to Ev to do with them as they please makes me believe that they ONLY reason they can't release the Lillywhite songs is because Wind-Up doesn't want them to and they will only allow them to release them if they write them into "rockier" songs. Amy was allowed to include Swimming Home because she didn't write that as an Ev song, she wrote that with Will "Science" at a much earlier date (I'm guessing around the time of HDTS), before the lillywhite sessions thats why it is mostly "untouched" as she describes it. lol she probably stuck it on the standard edition of the album as a big "FU I can release something electronic" to wind up
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Post by Titanic on Jan 19, 2013 12:28:41 GMT -5
NWTB could have been written during TOD era but worked on in 2011, it's entirely possible.
I'm SO over Wind-Up stifling Amy's creativity at every turn. After hearing tracks like Swimming Home I genuinely want to hear the Electronic songs she wrote. I wish we had another chance like the Spotify interview to ask her about these electro songs. I used up my chance then to ask about Secret Door's meaning, but now that I know her answer to that I'm curious about what became of the Electro songs and if we'll ever hear them?
All this mystery just tarnishes our relationship as fans with the band, and it's not even the band's fault.
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Post by Morgan on Jan 19, 2013 13:27:31 GMT -5
DarkFlare: I remember reading on the old EvThreads (maybe it was EvBoard) someone say that Amy said that NWTB was written close to the TOD era. I asked for a link and they sent it to me. Now, I may be wrong but this is what I remember... lol. You are right, I think it was me. I don't have the link anymore, though. But Amy said in an interview that NWTB was written quite shortly after the TOD Era's Tou ended and that it was in style closer to that album than the rest. I assume that's why it was left to the Deluxe Edition, and why it even was there, because since it was an old project it hadn't been involved in the LS, I feel like they tried to bring up on Ev3 all the songs they had left aside while working on 2009 album.
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Post by AeternusAmatorius on Jan 19, 2013 15:27:57 GMT -5
DarkFlare: I remember reading on the old EvThreads (maybe it was EvBoard) someone say that Amy said that NWTB was written close to the TOD era. I asked for a link and they sent it to me. Now, I may be wrong but this is what I remember... lol. You are right, I think it was me. I don't have the link anymore, though. But Amy said in an interview that NWTB was written quite shortly after the TOD Era's Tou ended and that it was in style closer to that album than the rest. I assume that's why it was left to the Deluxe Edition, and why it even was there, because since it was an old project it hadn't been involved in the LS, I feel like they tried to bring up on Ev3 all the songs they had left aside while working on 2009 album. Alright, thank you! It would also make some sense too because NWTD (whoa! DejaVu) is very experimental compared to that of the rest of Ev3, and TOD is Ev's most experimental album to date (well besides Origin, but that's also industrial).
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Post by DarkFlare89 on Jan 19, 2013 15:32:26 GMT -5
Huh, neat! Okay then. So can we say that NWTB is the earliest song of the EV LP album, just as TLSIWOY is the earliest song of the TOD album? Also, can we say that NWTB and Your Love are contemporaries of each other, since both are Pre-Lillywhite, Post-TOD?
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Post by AeternusAmatorius on Jan 19, 2013 22:01:09 GMT -5
^I would guess so! ;D
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Post by Morgan on Jan 19, 2013 23:24:02 GMT -5
You can add Swimming Home to that too, it was written by Amy and William-Barry-Science-Hunt (LOLWUT?) and Amy submitted it to inclusion in the movie Ponyo, by Hayao Miyazaki, which was released in 2008,a s far as I know. By the way, that's a freaking beautiful and adorable movie. ;D P.S. I know you like to know the sources so here you go! evnewage.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/03167.jpg It's from the Bizarre Magazine.
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Post by AeternusAmatorius on Jan 20, 2013 2:04:32 GMT -5
^Oh! So that's the sound track that they wrote Swimming Home for that didn't quite pan out right!?
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Post by gavin4713 on Jan 20, 2013 2:17:39 GMT -5
so much new information learned...I don't think my mind can handle it haha
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Post by EvanescentEvil on Jan 20, 2013 11:04:35 GMT -5
NWTB could have been written during TOD era but worked on in 2011, it's entirely possible. Agreed. Maybe Amy had the lyrics and melody ready back then, but she worked with Terry in late 2010 and that's when the final version was made. Does anyone remember if Your Love was intended to be included on the ''lillywhite album''? I think it wasn't.
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