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Post by fatality789 on Sept 15, 2017 13:17:45 GMT -5
I have to admit that there are some tracks on this release that I cared less for then others (like Never Go Back and Lost in Paradise), but maybe these new versions will help me see them from a new perspective and maybe even like them more. Do we know what is going to be the Japanese bonus track? I went to the iTunes Store Japan but there is no album pre-order there, just Imperfection released as a single... itunes.apple.com/jp/artist/evanescence/id42102393?l=en
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Post by AeternusAmatorius on Sept 15, 2017 23:05:23 GMT -5
OMG...My Immortal will be the original version! I am so happy about that. I honestly don't think Amy meant the piano/vocal version.
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Post by The Reaper on Sept 15, 2017 23:20:03 GMT -5
OMG...My Immortal will be the original version! I am so happy about that. I honestly don't think Amy meant the piano/vocal version. How could she not with the wording she used?
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Post by AeternusAmatorius on Sept 15, 2017 23:59:17 GMT -5
I honestly don't think Amy meant the piano/vocal version. How could she not with the wording she used? Because Synthesis is songs from the three studio albums. That would mean version 3 of MI at that point.
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Post by Shin on Sept 16, 2017 0:52:05 GMT -5
How could she not with the wording she used? Because Synthesis is songs from the three studio albums. That would mean version 3 of MI at that point. I think you're wrong because she refers to when they wrote My Immortal when she was young which is the original version. If you think about it she was going through demo versions of BMTL from pre-Fallen which is why it sounds like today because of the demo versions.
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Post by AeternusAmatorius on Sept 16, 2017 1:27:46 GMT -5
You're allowed to disagree and you are entitled to your opinion but I think you both are misinterpreting Amy's words.
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Post by Shin on Sept 16, 2017 3:54:17 GMT -5
You're allowed to disagree and you are entitled to your opinion but I think you both are misinterpreting Amy's words. Ok I don't understand why you act like this, telling others what they're allowed to do or not to do, I said I "THINK" not I didn't say "I'M RIGHT AND YOU'RE WRONG." I really don't like the way you write on here sometimes. You've done that in the past a lot and it's hard to ignore. Rather than say that you should say why you believe we are misinterpretating those words and outline/justify your two cents. There is a way of words so maybe you should reread what you write before posting. I'm not being rude I just get deterred from posting. Anyway, there are several reasons why I thought it may be pre-Fallen: 1. The way this album is touching upon orchestra and electronica, which is essentially Origin meets present Ev. 2. BMTL incorporates sounds from when they were demoing and then recording it for Fallen so the V1 and V2 demos as well as ones we have not heard. Those were leaked along with the rest of the demos for Fallen which we were never meant to have in the first place. Amy would've had those on her to listen to. I am certain she stated somewhere she was listening through stems from when they were demoing or recording. 3. Imperfection sounds so pre-Fallen meets current Ev. Amy did say it's past meets present, organic with synthetic sounds. 4. The release of Lost Whispers, rerecording of Even In Death and the fact Amy not too long ago listened to Origin, cringed over it but appreciated it with a post on facebook. Considering they have been writing for and trying to find the right people for synthesis as well as the reader of LP, the creativity is still fresh in her mind. Why waste it when they can accomplish that? Even though they stated they're taking songs off the last 3 studio albums, it doesn't mean they're limiting their sound to that. So many times Amy has stated they are looking at the whole history of the band. 5. Facebook Q&A where she answered (in screenshot below) with my justifications above made me think she is referring to My Immortal off Ev EP or Origin. 6. Imaginary with Origin bridge was performed in shows not too long ago. Also makes me wonder if they will use some elements/style off Origin for this. 7. Disappointment by some fans of lack of new material on Lost Whispers. Again those were b-sides released on singles which Amy wouldn't have necessarily known or remembered about, but b-sides are songs cut off final tracklist so again, some of these leaked or just needed a home. 8. The band seem to be tieing up loose ends and slowly releasing their experimental Ev3 songs. Rather than just releasing all of them, because they may fear they'll lose fans, they are introducing them through side or passion projects. Look at the Baby Did a Bad Thing Cover, originally meant for Ev3. That cover is amazing, yet it hasn't got a lot of views on YouTube for obvious reasons like lack of promotion etc. But it has been shared via various sites. People are getting tired of the electronic scene so for a rock band to suddenly go all electronic-pop is a big risk. If they got the heads up from Wind-up Records when it was intended to be released it would've done amazingly due to the interest in that genre. But now it's a bit weary and overused. People are going back to the classics. So the approach with Synthesis is most likely the right way forward to test those waters. To redo BMTL and MI was wise as it's so overplayed (not in a bad way).
I read somewhere on blabbermouth I think, where a user was complaining that the songs were all ballads. Tbh when LIP was released it was doing well without promotion at first. So to redo these songs are perfect and will hopefully catch on people. It won't be too electronic not too classical.
I'm sure I can share more of my thoughts but I need to go back to bed. Happy debating!
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Post by The Reaper on Sept 16, 2017 5:34:45 GMT -5
You're allowed to disagree and you are entitled to your opinion but I think you both are misinterpreting Amy's words. Ok I don't understand why you act like this, telling others what they're allowed to do or not to do, I said I "THINK" not I didn't say "I'M RIGHT AND YOU'RE WRONG." I really don't like the way you write on here sometimes. You've done that in the past a lot and it's hard to ignore. Rather than say that you should say why you believe we are misinterpretating those words and outline/justify your two cents. There is a way of words so maybe you should reread what you write before posting. I'm not being rude I just get deterred from posting. Anyway, there are several reasons why I thought it may be pre-Fallen: 1. The way this album is touching upon orchestra and electronica, which is essentially Origin meets present Ev. 2. BMTL incorporates sounds from when they were demoing and then recording it for Fallen so the V1 and V2 demos as well as ones we have not heard. Those were leaked along with the rest of the demos for Fallen which we were never meant to have in the first place. Amy would've had those on her to listen to. I am certain she stated somewhere she was listening through stems from when they were demoing or recording. 3. Imperfection sounds so pre-Fallen meets current Ev. Amy did say it's past meets present, organic with synthetic sounds. 4. The release of Lost Whispers, rerecording of Even In Death and the fact Amy not too long ago listened to Origin, cringed over it but appreciated it with a post on facebook. Considering they have been writing for and trying to find the right people for synthesis as well as the reader of LP, the creativity is still fresh in her mind. Why waste it when they can accomplish that? Even though they stated they're taking songs off the last 3 studio albums, it doesn't mean they're limiting their sound to that. So many times Amy has stated they are looking at the whole history of the band. 5. Facebook Q&A where she answered (in screenshot below) with my justifications above made me think she is referring to My Immortal off Ev EP or Origin. 6. Imaginary with Origin bridge was performed in shows not too long ago. Also makes me wonder if they will use some elements/style off Origin for this. 7. Disappointment by some fans of lack of new material on Lost Whispers. Again those were b-sides released on singles which Amy wouldn't have necessarily known or remembered about, but b-sides are songs cut off final tracklist so again, some of these leaked or just needed a home. 8. The band seem to be tieing up loose ends and slowly releasing their experimental Ev3 songs. Rather than just releasing all of them, because they may fear they'll lose fans, they are introducing them through side or passion projects. Look at the Baby Did a Bad Thing Cover, originally meant for Ev3. That cover is amazing, yet it hasn't got a lot of views on YouTube for obvious reasons like lack of promotion etc. But it has been shared via various sites. People are getting tired of the electronic scene so for a rock band to suddenly go all electronic-pop is a big risk. If they got the heads up from Wind-up Records when it was intended to be released it would've done amazingly due to the interest in that genre. But now it's a bit weary and overused. People are going back to the classics. So the approach with Synthesis is most likely the right way forward to test those waters. To redo BMTL and MI was wise as it's so overplayed (not in a bad way).
I read somewhere on blabbermouth I think, where a user was complaining that the songs were all ballads. Tbh when LIP was released it was doing well without promotion at first. So to redo these songs are perfect and will hopefully catch on people. It won't be too electronic not too classical.
I'm sure I can share more of my thoughts but I need to go back to bed. Happy debating!
You took the words right out of my mouth in regards to the response. Also, you needn't me reminded that when Synthesis was originally announced Amy talked about reworking songs, including adding different lyrics and changing parts altogether. For people who have not heard the original My Immortal, this seems to fit. I will always go back to saying Synthesis is for the fans not for new listeners, as I'm sure that's the goal of Ev4. Amy's wording has every hint of being the original version as if I remember correctly, that's the version she wanted to release for Fallen but didn't because of Wind-Up. The BMTL Synthesis version sounds like the demo with strings added. That cannot be debated because it is blatant at least to a lot of people.
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Post by The_Sacrificed on Sept 16, 2017 5:43:54 GMT -5
It would be so cool to get the version of My Immortal with the alternate lyrics. It's my favorite but I don't have much faith we will.
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Post by ben on Sept 16, 2017 13:03:53 GMT -5
Sorry if I've not read this anywhere else, and it's probably already been suggested (I'm catching up! haha), but do we reckon MHIB is going to be the original harp version? Lacrymosa sound INTENSE, her vocals at the end of that new snippet are SOOOOO good. It's giving me mega Danny Elfman / 80s horror vibes with the spooky electronic sounds in the background. I'm so happy we're getting it in 5.1 and the instrumentals with the DVD too. This is literally a dream come true. Edit: Where did Amy talk about the original MI btw? I'm probably just being stupid and missed it haha... if it's not the Pre-Origin version, I hope it's the Origin version with the better piano (I don't like the stop-start of the piano in the Post-2000 / Band version)
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Post by X on Sept 16, 2017 14:14:21 GMT -5
It would be so cool to get the version of My Immortal with the alternate lyrics. It's my favorite but I don't have much faith we will. I would also love it if My Immortal is the original mixed with the version everyone knows. I'm just expecting this My Immortal to be a more symphonic version of the Mystary version. Sorry if I've not read this anywhere else, and it's probably already been suggested (I'm catching up! haha), but do we reckon MHIB is going to be the original harp version? It's possible, I don't hate MHIB but I don't love it either, it's just there. hopefully the Synthesis version of MHIB will make me like the song a lot more
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Post by dekker87 on Sept 16, 2017 14:28:52 GMT -5
According to the behind the scenes video, My Immortal is the one most known.. Not the original piano/vocal version.
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Post by The Reaper on Sept 16, 2017 14:49:18 GMT -5
According to the behind the scenes video, My Immortal is the one most known.. Not the original piano/vocal version. The music is the same...she could've changed the lyrics. Who knows. It's wishful thinking.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2017 15:10:56 GMT -5
You're allowed to disagree and you are entitled to your opinion but I think you both are misinterpreting Amy's words. Ok I don't understand why you act like this, telling others what they're allowed to do or not to do, I said I "THINK" not I didn't say "I'M RIGHT AND YOU'RE WRONG." I really don't like the way you write on here sometimes. You've done that in the past a lot and it's hard to ignore. Rather than say that you should say why you believe we are misinterpretating those words and outline/justify your two cents. There is a way of words so maybe you should reread what you write before posting. I'm not being rude I just get deterred from posting. I think you're taking her words a lot more personally than they're meant. This isn't telling you what you are or aren't allowed to do. It's an expression. And in no way did she imply that you're saying "I'M RIGHT AND YOU'RE WRONG." I think you're jumping the gun quite a bit as you tend to do. Relax, little guy... You are coming off as rude and I could just as easily declare that I'm not personally a fan of the way you write or talk to people. You're being a lot more aggressive than you need to be (and far, far more aggressive than Amanda). If you have an issue, you can calmly express that rather than flying off the handle in this manner. I don't understand why you act like this-- so before casting judgment, consider your own behaviors. Let's accept people as they are and contribute calmly and rationally to discussions. There is no need for this kind of bitter aggression. Also, wasn't Ben Moody solely credited for the original version My Immortal? There was a discussion many years ago that Amy was credited for Solitude and Give Unto Me, while Ben was credited for Understanding and My Immortal. And that Amy was credited with contributions to the version that debuted on Origin. So the argument can easily be skewed away from the notion that this is about the original version because "The original version I did" cannot mean the initial version because she didn't do that one. You made some good arguments. There are some good counterarguments (she said they get to record these songs with some of the nuanced adjustments in the live versions...the original MI doesn't fit this description/The piano in the clip was not of the original MI/etc.). We'll know in less than one month at the very latest, so chill and enjoy the ride and try not to get upset when people disagree with you, please. Love ya, buddy.
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Post by harridan on Sept 16, 2017 15:27:12 GMT -5
OK, seriously, try to express your opinions on the topic and not on each other. You can say what you think without being condescending and attacking other members. These arguments aren't pleasant for anyone so just try to avoid them. Be a little more tolerant or I'll start deleting posts, which disrupt the peace on the forum.
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