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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2017 6:34:31 GMT -5
One thing that bugs me about this board is how many excuses people on here make for the band. Yes, I know they're independent now and they can only do so much, but it doesn't erase the fact that their business dealings have been utter s**t. As an independent band, they should be weary about what the fans have demanded and asked for. I mean, Amy is on social media and just reading the comments on what people say can determine how to go next with releases. I get logistics is an issue a lot of times, but this release was just ridiculous. I won't lie, of course I bought this. But in the end, we paid over 100.00 for cardboard, a book with SOME rare pictures (let's be real, the journal entries have been seen since the Fallen era), and songs everyone has had since their release. I'm not 14 anymore and I can see when someone is trying to take advantage of a fan base. I don't think it's intentional, but c'mon Evanescence. You're independent so you can do so much better. The person above has every right to be angry about the digital files being released on iTunes and Spotify. They should've given everyone who purchased a boxset a download code for everything so we can have a digital copy. It isn't asking much. I've given this band thousands of dollars and years of attention, and I still love them. This boxset ordeal is not a gift to the fans either, as I have noticed. Every damn band these days is rereleasing their albums in Vinyl (eg., The Decemberists, My Chemical Romance). It is a trend now, just like the VIP tickets to concerts now. Charging $200 for a meet and greet that used to be free to those who would wait patiently. Please, guys, see what's going on. I love this band, but they could've thrown us a bone with these digital files. We paid a ton for the boxset and some of us (I included) don't have turntables. I am so sorry if anyone is offended, and I hope this doesn't get me banned...But you best damn believe I downloaded Lost Whispers. This should've been given to us, not an attempt to get our money AGAIN. As much as I respect your opinion and I really do, I would really like to point out some counter-arguments you might want to take into consideration: 1. You seem to believe that Evanescence are taking advantage of their fanbase by selling this boxset. Yet Amy and a team of art designers worked on it for months, especially on the book which contains many pages of Amy's journal which we HADN'T seen before (and that's a fact). So if they only wanted to make money out of already recorded songs, why would Amy or the band spend so much money & time designing something so big (52-pages), while they could just sell the vinyls and put a book together with the already existing booklets for each album and make the same amount of money? 2. The price of the boxset is LOW, considering what it contains: 6 vinyls, 5 cases to hold them, a 52-page book with illustrations AND a hard cover + a box with glowing parts that holds everything in it. And here let me bring the example of an artist I equally love: Lana Del Rey. With the release of her second studio album, she also released a boxset which you can check out for yourself here (https://store.universalmusic.com/lanadelrey/*/Music/Ultraviolence-Deluxe-Boxset/3CAO05NM000). As you can see, that boxset contains 1 CD, 2 vinyls and 4 printed images and cost almost half (around $51) as Evanescence's boxset does ($125). So you still think that we paid too much? 3. There is a reason why "every damn band" today is releasing their material on vinyls: music & vinyl lovers. I personally, along with many more fans would love to have Evanescence's albums on vinyl and I am glad they made my dream come true with this boxset. If you personally don't have a turntable or don't like vinyls or don't want to collect every merch item Evanescence releases, which is absolutely fine, you had no big reason to get this item. But you can't complain that they are making money from the same songs, when they are releasing them on a new format for the first time. I would understand your point if every album was already available on vinyl and they put this boxset together and making it cost more than it would if you bought the vinyls separately. That would be just a way to make money 4. Have you seen how much other artists sell their M&G?! It can be as high as thousands of dollars, that only a selected few can afford and it might only include a single picture with them and 2 mins of talking. Evanescence's M&G package contained access to soundcheck in some cases, piece of merch that also cost money to make (poster, box and VIP plate) and the chance to get as many merch item as you'd like signed (if the security of the venue didn't interfere). And it's not like Evanescence stopped meeting fans after every show. During their Fall 2016 Tour they were coming out after EVERY show and meeting more fans, those who were patient enough as you said to meet them, taking pictures and signing merch FOR FREE. 5. I don't see why people who got the boxset have to be so selfish and think that they are the only ones that can listen to Lost Whispers. There are people who can't afford this big item, but are now glad that they can stream or buy the collection of b-sides digitally and I'm one of them, although I got the boxset. 6. Evanescence are now independent, which means that they must self-found the recording of new music. So to me, the money from the M&Gs and the boxset will be used to record the new music, music videos etc. although that's something I personally believe and have no arguments to support it. 7. Last but not least, I am not making excuses to defend Evanescence for the choice they made with the manufacturer or the distribution company regarding the boxset; And neither are they. They made a big mistake. But as long as they are willing to get the damaged ones back and send new ones for FREE, which they are doing and Amy singing more than 2.000 posters to send to everyone who pre-ordered as a sorry for the delays, I can 100% appreciate that they are trying to make things right. I hope no one gets offended by this and there is no reason to. I just wanted to express my opinion on this matter. Have a good day! You hope no one gets offended, yet you say people who got the boxset are being selfish when they get angry that Lost Whispers was released on iTunes? Bit of a contradiction there. But for the record, I wasn't angry that others could hear it, I was angry that they didn't mention there would be an iTunes release of Lost Whispers when the boxset was first announced. I could have then perhaps not bought the boxset and just got the downloads. I'm not saying the boxset isn't awesome or that I would send it back, but I just wish I'd had the option when I was buying it. That's not being selfish, that's being human. I personally regret bringing this whole thing up - I'm over it, glad everyone can hear the songs. My understanding that LW was to be a vinyl exclusive was clearly incorrect, even though all the evidence indicated it was so. Let's move on.
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Post by EvanescentEvil on Feb 18, 2017 8:37:17 GMT -5
Has anyone who ordered from the UK store sent back their vinyl? Still debating on what I should do. What a frustration..
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Post by PJ. on Feb 18, 2017 9:04:32 GMT -5
Ok, let's start being real guys. Who cares that the band released Lost Whispers on ITunes. Y'all do realize only two songs are new here that cost like $3 for both, and the songs have literally been ripped from the vinyl since they have shipped...so if you don't want to spend your money they are on YouTube ! Oh and also if you don't want an "unofficial" fan ripped version EV posted this on their YouTube account. I don't really get the people complaining right now. First, I see people moaning about it only being on vinyl, now I'm seeing people moaning about it should've been vinyl exclusive. These songs have been out for years. With the exception of two. I paid for the boxset cause it's a collectors item. I've been itching for them to release an ultimate collection for years. I think it's great that they are accomadating everyone. As for the "taking advantage of us" comment no one is forcing you into buying anything. The vinyl box set included a ton and I personally think was hella cheap. Meet and greets now cost $200..so what! You get more then just a meet and greet. You get the VIP laminate, early entry, an exclusive poster, exclusive merch item, and literally anything and everything you want signed ? To top that off, 99.9% of the time Amy and the band come out and greet fans after the show for free for the grateful bunch who think EV is taking advantage of them. They don't have to do that. I'm so sad to see all this complaining, you seriously can't please everyone and EV is trying to. Give them a break.
Post rant: if anyone received a box set damaged, Amy herself said on Twitter contact CS and they will have you send it back to receive a new copy. I'm still waiting on my new one.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2017 10:07:24 GMT -5
Also, it's hardly Amy's fault that box sets had turned up damaged. It wouldn't be like her to just stand by and allow something like this to happen.
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Post by Rarkphoenix on Feb 18, 2017 10:45:20 GMT -5
I'm actually somewhat in agreement about the VIP thing (and this is pretty hypocritical since I'm going to one). The idea of paying a ridiculous sum of money just to talk to people does seem grossly unfair to me. It's legitimised somewhat by the fact that the band really do need the money as an independent artist (you've got to take money from whatever sources you can, especially if you're embarking on an enterprise as expensive as a trans-continental tour), but I personally feel it draws away from legitimate musicianship and into 'rockstar' territory, a mentality I wholeheartedly disagree with. The idea that somebody can meet the band because they have money, and somebody else can't because they don't have money is clearly rooted in enterprise and just feels inauthentic to me.
I really don't see the problem with the whole vinyl palava though. The decision to release the album on Spotify etc. was clearly retrospective. They were clearly looking at social media and at forums like this one and realising there was a genuine interest. It's not like they decided "we're going to promote this vinyl to make money and then as soon as it gets to most people we're going to release it digitally and make even more". I think I said it earlier in this thread, but there's no way in hell they could have made a fortune off these vinyls (especially with all of the hassle surrounding it and people demanding refunds as a result). I personally feel that the best reason for wanting to obtain the vinyls was the novelty of owning LP records and for the beautiful artbook that came with it and the previously unreleased stuff on Lost Whispers was a bonus (after all, it was a essentially a 'best of' collection at heart). It just seems strange to me that anybody would want to pay that much money (yes, it is expensive) just to listen to a couple of unreleased tracks. Still, each to their own I guess.
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Post by harridan on Feb 18, 2017 11:07:51 GMT -5
Also, it's hardly Amy's fault that box sets had turned up damaged. It wouldn't be like her to just stand by and allow something like this to happen. Exactly. Since Amy isn't personally delivering them to people and kicking them on the way, it's definitely not her fault. Couriers these days have so many packages per day, they don't give a sh*t about the state of anything they deliver. If a delivery guy can throw your new monitor over the fence because you were not home, why would he care about your precious vinyls? Very few shipping companies (and countries) really care about customer satisfaction. It's all about speed. I'm kinda pissed off too because mine was well packed to avoid damage during transportation but it was already damaged by some careless employee before being shipped to me. As Amazon apparently receives the box sets straight from Universal Music, they check the packages before forwarding them to the customer and mine got a nice knife cut in the process. I was thinking about returning it but I don't think it's worth the effort and chances are the next one will arrive damaged in a different way, which might be even uglier. I'll simply leave them a negative review for the service when they give me the opportunity (or directly as a product review if they don't). They also just increased the price to over 150 euro. Not cool considering the German Amazon did exactly the opposite. I was going to say a few other things but I'm really not in the mood anymore. All I want to say is that we can't deny there were a lot of negative experiences related to the box set release but of all people involved the band is the last to blame.
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Post by Psypher on Feb 18, 2017 11:53:18 GMT -5
I'm happy they released it digitally. It saves me a lot of time and money and stress trying to learn how to rip the songs. That being said, even if I do not agree with the reasons or fully understand why some are annoyed, I'd never tell anyone not to complain. But but but it arrived today It's all so beautiful, especially the outer cover and the book. I love it so much. I just wish...I didn't cancel my order that would have had a signed bookplate and then later decide to order it again.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2017 13:01:20 GMT -5
The new version of Even in Death sounds amazing, by the way! I love it. So gorgeous.
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Post by Rarkphoenix on Feb 18, 2017 13:06:55 GMT -5
The new version of Even in Death sounds amazing, by the way! I love it. So gorgeous. Same! It's the first piece of music Amy or the band's released for years that genuinely sent shivers down my spine. That instrumental section... honestly, I don't think there are enough words in the English language for me to describe just how beautiful it is... just incredible.
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Post by Shin on Feb 18, 2017 15:17:34 GMT -5
Ummm wow Oh wow Oh wow.... Talk about stupidity. The band released an ultimate collection, with Origin being an exclusive.
Did anyone force you to buy the vinyls? No right? Did the band themselves state any different to what was being released? No right? Do the band have control of every single CD that was put into production? No!
Those B-sides with exception of the last album we got through radio singles. That was through the label. They were not officially released. So to the general public it is still unreleased material.
This collection was for die hard fans to have everything in one. It makes sense. It is not to rip people off or bring more new music - they are already working on that now. It's a reflection of the bands journey from Origin till the end of their time with Wind-up.
As for the iTunes release that was going to happen. One thing I have realised is that fans on here seem to want more than what's stated. In the past, the label was making the decisions. Now, the band will be. What's the problem? - Time. They've become independent and we as a Fan Base aren't giving them time and the support! Instead we like to complain about everything. But then again I've realised that's how people are nowadays.
I'm not concerned if people are offended. I don't see why I have to apologise to people who won't understand when everything was crystal clear. If anyone has disappointed themselves with the recent events, it's down to yourself. They gave us the details, you made the decisions. As far as the shipping is concerned, that is to do with the manufacturer/supplier. So if your vinyl came damaged, take it out with them, not the band. Several members on here have already stated Amy said to contact the suppliers. So why make it more difficult than it is?
I'm not here to say I'm perfect with what I'm saying or that the band are either. Just please stop with the moaning when there are justifications or simply one expected too much When they've already made details very clear.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2017 15:59:23 GMT -5
Okay, can I suggest we move on?
When I wrote my initial reply to this re: the iTunes release of LW, I never wanted this to get bigger like it's become.
I was frustrated, but I've taken everyone's points on board. I'm also not angry with the band, I just wish I'd had the iTunes option when the vinyl boxset was up for pre-order. But I understand it may have only been a recent decision to do so based on popularity of the boxset and seeing how people wanted the LW tracks, but couldn't afford the boxset.
I also haven't received my copy of the boxset yet so my feelings could completely change when I see it - they probably will, no doubt it is awesome, people seem to be really happy with it.
We all have differing points of view on this, but this is starting to become uncomfortable. I've contribute to that and I apologise.
Can I suggest we take a breather?
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Post by The Reaper on Feb 18, 2017 17:32:45 GMT -5
Ummm wow Oh wow Oh wow.... Talk about stupidity. The band released an ultimate collection, with Origin being an exclusive. Did anyone force you to buy the vinyls? No right? Did the band themselves state any different to what was being released? No right? Do the band have control of every single CD that was put into production? No! Those B-sides with exception of the last album we got through radio singles. That was through the label. They were not officially released. So to the general public it is still unreleased material. This collection was for die hard fans to have everything in one. It makes sense. It is not to rip people off or bring more new music - they are already working on that now. It's a reflection of the bands journey from Origin till the end of their time with Wind-up. As for the iTunes release that was going to happen. One thing I have realised is that fans on here seem to want more than what's stated. In the past, the label was making the decisions. Now, the band will be. What's the problem? - Time. They've become independent and we as a Fan Base aren't giving them time and the support! Instead we like to complain about everything. But then again I've realised that's how people are nowadays. I'm not concerned if people are offended. I don't see why I have to apologise to people who won't understand when everything was crystal clear. If anyone has disappointed themselves with the recent events, it's down to yourself. They gave us the details, you made the decisions. As far as the shipping is concerned, that is to do with the manufacturer/supplier. So if your vinyl came damaged, take it out with them, not the band. Several members on here have already stated Amy said to contact the suppliers. So why make it more difficult than it is? I'm not here to say I'm perfect with what I'm saying or that the band are either. Just please stop with the moaning when there are justifications or simply one expected too much When they've already made details very clear. Yo, go stand in the corner until your sodium level subsides. Nowhere am I blaming the band personally,I'm just saying their business decisions are questionable. They're independent, and have a day about what happens. I still bought the vinyl because I support the band, but I'm not acting like it's some damn beautiful gift. It's not a collector's item to me, as it's too mass produced, unless you got the signed bookplate IMO. All I was saying is that a download code would've been cool. I didn't mean to just quote you, but this was for everyone quoting me. Go ahead and spend a ton of money for a laminate if it makes you so happy to that one poster. Y'all turn stuff into such escalation that the fans have not changed, but it is what it is. I got my boxset and am cool with it. I got the digital files, so I don't care. But don't you dare resort to calling someone else stupid because they don't agree with you or have something to complain about. Stop apologising for others when people are genuinely frustrated. For goodness sake, let this be the last post about all this.
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Post by PJ. on Feb 18, 2017 18:32:55 GMT -5
Ummm wow Oh wow Oh wow.... Talk about stupidity. The band released an ultimate collection, with Origin being an exclusive. Did anyone force you to buy the vinyls? No right? Did the band themselves state any different to what was being released? No right? Do the band have control of every single CD that was put into production? No! Those B-sides with exception of the last album we got through radio singles. That was through the label. They were not officially released. So to the general public it is still unreleased material. This collection was for die hard fans to have everything in one. It makes sense. It is not to rip people off or bring more new music - they are already working on that now. It's a reflection of the bands journey from Origin till the end of their time with Wind-up. As for the iTunes release that was going to happen. One thing I have realised is that fans on here seem to want more than what's stated. In the past, the label was making the decisions. Now, the band will be. What's the problem? - Time. They've become independent and we as a Fan Base aren't giving them time and the support! Instead we like to complain about everything. But then again I've realised that's how people are nowadays. I'm not concerned if people are offended. I don't see why I have to apologise to people who won't understand when everything was crystal clear. If anyone has disappointed themselves with the recent events, it's down to yourself. They gave us the details, you made the decisions. As far as the shipping is concerned, that is to do with the manufacturer/supplier. So if your vinyl came damaged, take it out with them, not the band. Several members on here have already stated Amy said to contact the suppliers. So why make it more difficult than it is? I'm not here to say I'm perfect with what I'm saying or that the band are either. Just please stop with the moaning when there are justifications or simply one expected too much When they've already made details very clear. Yo, go stand in the corner until your sodium level subsides. Nowhere am I blaming the band personally,I'm just saying their business decisions are questionable. They're independent, and have a day about what happens. I still bought the vinyl because I support the band, but I'm not acting like it's some damn beautiful gift. It's not a collector's item to me, as it's too mass produced, unless you got the signed bookplate IMO. All I was saying is that a download code would've been cool. I didn't mean to just quote you, but this was for everyone quoting me. Go ahead and spend a ton of money for a laminate if it makes you so happy to that one poster. Y'all turn stuff into such escalation that the fans have not changed, but it is what it is. I got my boxset and am cool with it. I got the digital files, so I don't care. But don't you dare resort to calling someone else stupid because they don't agree with you or have something to complain about. Stop apologising for others when people are genuinely frustrated. For goodness sake, let this be the last post about all this. I'm not sure I understand how their business decisions are questionsable? They offered up the two songs that were new from the vinyl collection. And songs they already have out there for people to buy who don't have them. Also, if you have the digital files why are you complaining ? Let others have an option, cause anyone who thought that these songs would never surface online either from the band or from a fan after the vinyl sets started shipping is silly. You honestly didn't have to buy the set in the first place!
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Post by The_Sacrificed on Feb 18, 2017 18:47:30 GMT -5
Let's all move on, please. We don't need fighting.
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Post by Worm Baby on Feb 18, 2017 20:59:38 GMT -5
Whoa, what happened in here? Lol. Well I'm very happy to say that I got my bank account set up today, so I was able to update my payment info and it'll be arriving Monday! Now to cross my fingers and pray they're not damaged. As for the digital release, I'm thrilled they decided to do it so we can all have perfect versions of the new tracks! I agree that it would've been best if everyone who bought the vinyls got a free download code, but it seems like maybe they didn't initially intend on offering it digitally and only did so after they saw high demand for it. I'm sure they'll use this whole thing as a learning experience for how to handle future releases though.
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