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Post by eva on Dec 15, 2015 20:09:28 GMT -5
I'm beyond happy there finally is the chance to hear some of the "Lillywhite sessions" songs since Amy claims she "owns them" now! Also it was about time Amy said straight and clear what happened back in 2009.. I think we all suspected the record company had to do sth with the change of direction of the album even back then but it's way different when she comes out and doesn't filter her words anymore. "I was devastated. I was furious. I was determined to take control of the situation and use it to push myself forward. It ended up making me angry enough to write Evanescence's heaviest album" I mean yeah it all makes sense now.. just listening to those lyrics in EV3 you can pretty much tell most songs where about all this and how she struggled to keep Ev real. It makes me feel really sad and angry actually thinking about how she must have felt
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Post by TDS on Dec 15, 2015 21:10:48 GMT -5
Oh My God YES YES YES. My day was crappy, but thanks to Amy it'll end pretty well. I love that cover. It's sexy, provocative, I luv it. And she spoke up about what happened! I wanna hear that record. But for some reason I can see it as an Amy album, but maybe not an Evanescence one? I didn't felt that the guys were much involved in it or excited about it, back then. What do you think?
Edit: Just a question...I always found it kinda weird that Wind Up accepted songs such as Sick, which is clearly a critic of their management. How did Evanescence get away with that but had to redo the 3rd album?
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Post by carolexodus on Dec 15, 2015 21:15:13 GMT -5
I don't know why this cover made me want a Garbage cover next. Amy is a big fan right? Or maybe she could try some The Cramps, I love that band, it would be a hell of a challenge.
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Post by AeternusAmatorius on Dec 15, 2015 23:51:37 GMT -5
I wonder how the original mix of this cover sounded? If Amy mixed it the way she wanted to, it's obviously more her, but for the movie people, I wonder how it was mixed for them? lol. Also, I thought 5 of the 2009 songs were re-done and tweaked a bit for Ev3. It has 5 tracks listed in the liner notes as songs that William B. Hunt helped to work on.... I wonder what 3 songs those were then? Definitely MOS but what other two? lol. Under the liner notes as you said, there are indeed 5 tracks: (2) Made of Stone (8) Sick (9) End of the Dream These were the 3 written by Evanescence with Will B Hunt (12) Swimming Home - Amy Lee and Will B Hunt (16) Secret Door - Amy Lee and Will B Hunt These were the 2 written by Amy Lee with Will B Hunt Mystery solved! Oh really? Where does it have tracks 12 and 16 listed separately as being only written by Amy and William B. Hunt? Also, there is an "edit" button. Please utilize this. I am so happy for her. She finally got those songs back and can do whatever she wants with them. I remember she said once that those recording could not be legally used, but now they can! I am so glad that they are going to see the light of the day! I hope "Perfect Dream" will be out. I was so happy at work today when I got this news. I wanted to get some fireworks and celebrate this happening! I had been waiting for such a good news for 5 years! That's because they were still under Wind-Up and since Wind-up shelved the material and they owned it, Ev couldn't use it no matter if they got Steve's permission. But now, they and Amy are no longer bound! However, the way Ev3 was released failed as we all know, meant this time round, the band were frustrated with the label, it was rushed, the label probably wanted them to start touring because there would be clauses in the contract for the band to deliver, look at 30 Seconds to Mars scenario, when they initially failed to produce a 3rd album. The hype which was generated when the album was released, would have driven them to more success (pushed by the lead single) as Ev sell more albums shows how bad the label were. The label did not bother pushing MHIB in November which was meant to be the original release date for the single I believe, instead, they missed out on that opportunity and released the video in late January, and the fact LiP was charting without a single release shows the label did not care as they could have followed that up with LiP. The band could have had some tour dates cancelled and rescheduled to make way for a music video for LiP, and therefore, both MHIB and LiP would have showcased some of the new talent the band have produced. This may have helped WYW too actually, which was released to show the world they were back. Shame really. It is similar to the SS/ ATILF scenario which ultimately lead to The Open Door not getting anymore successful promotion, I mean GE was cancelled? it charted in Portugal, it would have done well I feel, what they should have done was make LIP the second single (they would have made more money since it was already so popular at album release without even being a single) and made MHIB the third single. Amy even said she had no idea what was going on with the was MOS and TOS were working as singles and didn't know if there would be a video for either MOS or TOS because she was kind of discouraged and lost interest and inspiration. Then Wind-Up says "We don't have a budget to make a third music video for you guys." Hmm... Well, I wonder why. You're full of bad marketing ideas and well as very bad decision makers. After Diana Meltzer left Wind-Up went to crap. I think Wind-Up will probably be going under (no pun intended) soon. However, I feel the same as you. As much as I wanted "broken album" I'm still glad and thankful for what actually became Ev3. I love that album a lot! It's ranked as second (without Origin in the "albums" list), and TOD as first. TDS: to try an answer your question, Wind-Up probably had no idea what the "between the lines" meaning was for Sick. Amy writes in metaphors and it's kind of hard to get EXACTLY what she is saying unless she comes right out and says it. Though, we all know Am doesn't like to come right out and say what the meaning of a song is anymore because she likes to leave it up to interpretation so it can mean multiple different things to multiple different people. This is one of the reasons why I think Wind-Up were so oblivious to the deeper meanings of Sick and New Way To Bleed. When she screamed at that Australian concert about being "Sick of people telling you what to do, what to say..." and when she blatantly came out on the radio interview to tell fans and the radio hosts that New Way to Bleed was about the label, I'm surprised she didn't get in trouble with the label... but then again, she may have anyway and just at that point was like "Fuck it." Anyway, I like this cover. I can't rank it yet, but it's still above "It's a Fire"...
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Post by Revenant on Dec 16, 2015 1:19:05 GMT -5
Sexy/fun cover! This makes me so happy that we will FINALLY get to hear the Lillywhite songs!! I never thought this would happen. So happy she is no longer stifled by those a-holes at WU. So many good things to come... I can't wait! Perfect Dream, pleeeease
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Post by X on Dec 16, 2015 1:21:06 GMT -5
I'm kind of confused on what she means by "Own them"? Like get the rights to the songs or...? Yup, the record label owns all the rights to all the songs written and recorded while the artist is under contract (also, even if the artist is no longer with them). I would say that Amy is one of the lucky ones to be able to obtain her the rights to those songs within such a short time, sometimes it takes decades before the artist can obtain them, sometimes never. ... The only Chris Isaak song I know is Wicked Games hehehe, would have been awesome if that was the track she covered. The instrumental reminds me a bit of Goldfrapp's Ooh La La, I also think that I think she should've used her lower vocals on this cover I feel like it would suit it better. GTC is my favorite of the 4 as of right now.
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Post by princeofpersia on Dec 16, 2015 3:59:21 GMT -5
Soon or late we'll hear them. I'm sure of it! as Amy's solo album or a new Ev project.
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Post by EvanescentEvil on Dec 16, 2015 5:05:44 GMT -5
Oh really? Where does it have tracks 12 and 16 listed separately as being only written by Amy and William B. Hunt? Sorry to burge in, but I think he's right. According to Wikipedia and Evanescence Reference, Swimming Home and Secret Door were written by Amy and Will B. Hunt. That means that those two songs were possible written before the Lillywhite sessions or at a different time anyways. Swimming Home was written in 2008 for a movie. Quoting EvReference:
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Post by X on Dec 16, 2015 5:30:57 GMT -5
Also, I thought 5 of the 2009 songs were re-done and tweaked a bit for Ev3. It has 5 tracks listed in the liner notes as songs that William B. Hunt helped to work on.... I wonder what 3 songs those were then? Definitely MOS but what other two? lol. Wasn't that just speculations from the fans because Will B Hunt is credited on 5 of the tracks? Correct me if I'm wrong but I think this is the first time that Amy has actually mentioned how many of the Lillywhite Sessions were on Ev3. Supposed, just because he worked with her during the Lillywhite Sessions doesn't mean he didn't work with them after it has been scrapped. I would say that Sick was probably written after just because of what the song is about.
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Post by Thomas on Dec 16, 2015 7:32:55 GMT -5
As far as I know, Made of Stone had a more electro vibe to it before she brought the band in and reworked it. She helped to "remix" the version for the Underworld film. I know that Sick was written after they left the studio in 2010 and went to write together in a jam session. Swimming Home was submited for a 2008 Japanese film, but it was rejected. And maybe Secret Door since it was written in the harp?! I remember she was having harp lessons during the 2010 recording sessions in NY.
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Post by RapturedLight on Dec 16, 2015 9:22:22 GMT -5
Good grief I love this cover! And I'm so freaking happy it sounds like we'll be getting more Lillywhite stuff! I HAVE NEEDED THIS NEWS IN MY LIFE.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2015 10:36:30 GMT -5
Oh man, so good to finally hear the truth about the Lilywhite Sessions! Maybe this is what she's been up to between releasing these covers.
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Post by enevria on Dec 16, 2015 11:25:40 GMT -5
I'm kind of confused on what she means by "Own them"? Like get the rights to the songs or...? Also this was on her website- Just wanted to point out that in your screenshot, that's my rabbit in the bottom right corner covered in the blanket! Lol! Small world! But on topic, yes she now has the rights to her songs. Wind up no longer has any say about whether or not she releases them. I'm so excited to hear the "broken record." I LOVED ev3, but I was a bit more interested in the direction she was headed in 2009. As for the cover, I think it's awesome! It's different from anything we've heard her do. Its hard to choose which covers have been my favorite though. They're all great in my opinion.
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Post by AeternusAmatorius on Dec 16, 2015 12:15:13 GMT -5
Oh really? Where does it have tracks 12 and 16 listed separately as being only written by Amy and William B. Hunt? Sorry to burge in, but I think he's right. According to Wikipedia and Evanescence Reference, Swimming Home and Secret Door were written by Amy and Will B. Hunt. That means that those two songs were possible written before the Lillywhite sessions or at a different time anyways. Swimming Home was written in 2008 for a movie. Quoting EvReference: Where was that information from Wikipedia obtained though? Where's the source? And it doesn't even have "Tracks 12 and 16 Written by William B. Hunt and Amy Lee" on EvRef (See the attachment). And yes, Swimming Home was written for a movie. Also, I thought 5 of the 2009 songs were re-done and tweaked a bit for Ev3. It has 5 tracks listed in the liner notes as songs that William B. Hunt helped to work on.... I wonder what 3 songs those were then? Definitely MOS but what other two? lol. Wasn't that just speculations from the fans because Will B Hunt is credited on 5 of the tracks? Correct me if I'm wrong but I think this is the first time that Amy has actually mentioned how many of the Lillywhite Sessions were on Ev3. Supposed, just because he worked with her during the Lillywhite Sessions doesn't mean he didn't work with them after it has been scrapped. I would say that Sick was probably written after just because of what the song is about. That's exactly where the information came from - the liner notes of Ev3. Why would it be speculation if the information is right there in plain sight? "Tracks 2, 8, 9, 12 and 16 written by Evanescence and William B. Hunt." I don't think that could be anymore clear. She hasn't spoken of the number of songs from the 2009/2010 Lillywhite session before; she's only said that some song still made it from that session, they were just reworked. ...Maybe speculation that they all came from the same session?... *sigh* I just used common sense and thought "Written with William B. Hunt? Oh ok so those must be the songs that were reworked for what is now Ev3." Thomas: How do you know Sick was written after they left the studio for the first time? How are you so sure? Idk. Sorry if I sound harsh but I'm just trying to figure this out. I'm confused. I sound harsh when I'm confused, even in real life. lol. Anyway, I was listening to this cover last night, in depth listening too, ans I felt like I've heard this version before. It was pretty weird. Attachments:
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Post by EvanescentEvil on Dec 16, 2015 12:38:07 GMT -5
Where was that information from Wikipedia obtained though? Where's the source? And it doesn't even have "Tracks 12 and 16 Written by William B. Hunt and Amy Lee" on EvRef (See the attachment). And yes, Swimming Home was written for a movie. EvRef says both songs were written by Amy and Will B. Hunt here: evanescencereference.info/wiki/index.php?title=Secret_Doorevanescencereference.info/wiki/index.php?title=Swimming_HomeAlthough there's no source on Wikipedia or EvRef, it seems possible that they didn't write Secret Door while they were working with Steve. It could have been earlier. We can't be sure of course. We're just speculating here so who knows. Maybe the re-worked songs for Ev3 were indeed 5 and Amy just forgot the exact number. Hasn't she forgotten the existance of Evanescence EP in an interview before? Lol
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