moe
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Post by moe on Oct 31, 2015 5:46:16 GMT -5
This is sort of like an open letter to all Evanescence fans. I know we all love Amy and her music to a pretty sharp degree. But frankly, I am a little sick of going onto Youtube and seeing Amy's new solo song re-posted a billion times so that her own new Youtube page doesn't get the hits it deserves. I also go on Twitter and type "Amy Lee Ev" and four other pages pop up first and they are fan pages. Let us actually respect her web presence and not steal it from her. THANKS
If you like her new cover song of Portishead, SHARE HER PAGE. Do NOT repost it on your own youtube page and steal thousands of views from her. WTF guys? I can't even search "Amy Lee Like A Fire" without scrolling through tons of fan repostings until I find the offical Amy Lee page link. It is super gross, actually. Have respect. She shared that with us for free. Remember that.
So if you find yourself on Youtube wanting to listen to "Like a Fire by Amy Lee" DO NOT click on the first things that pops up (The Riddler's reposting) Or the second (Santiago Lee Ev) or the third (Nightmarebyrd Ruin)...and many more! SERIOUSLY WTF GUYS? Amy Lee's new page and official posting should pop up first. PERIOD.
MODS: Feel free to delete, although I feel this is a serious topic that should be addressed among true fans. Amy Lee has went out of her way to share free music with us. A little thought should be in order before we start stealing her web presence. There is a reason why she has more than once expressed negative feelings toward her presence on the internet. Lets make it more comfortable for her. We are great fans, after all. Let us give her the chance to be a Youtube star. We all know she is working without a record company at this point. She is seriously just like any of us trying to start a career on Youtube at this point. She has a great marketable name, yes, and through years of mainstream success she finally feels comfortable sharing vulnerable sounds with us that we wouldn't normally expect through Evanescence. Let us not ruin it before it really even begins. I am so amped on her solo shit and I hope you are too
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Post by Rarkphoenix on Oct 31, 2015 7:20:13 GMT -5
Completely agree with you. It's a problem a lot of big names have. As soon as they create something good, everybody wants to ride the wave/steal their thunder. Why not create something unique, instead? The trouble with Evanescence, I think, is that it seems half of the fan-base are out there fighting to be recognised as the biggest fan, when in reality it actually means nothing. It just means that you're seen to be more of a follower than anybody else, and who wants to live life just being a follower? By all means support your inspirations, but SUPPORT them, as you've stated, don't try and steal their glory for your own personal gain.
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Post by FallenEvArmy on Oct 31, 2015 7:30:17 GMT -5
Oh, I agree with this SO MUCH. Last night I was trying to find the It's A Fire video on the YouTube app on my TV and I couldn't even find the official one, hundreds or fan rips, but not the one that actually mattered. Needless to say I didn't bother watch any afterwards.
I know it might seem hypocritical of me because I do have my own fan channel, but these days, I barely use it and if I do upload something, it's usally well after it's been released.
But consider this, she never sold us the song, she added it to a brand new YouTube channel which means she is serious about gaining veiws and trying to make money and a living from said views. We can't give her the support she deserves if fans are being selfish and stealing those veiws for their own personal gain. We're better than this, out of respect, don't rip and upload your own, share her video instead.
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Post by Rarkphoenix on Oct 31, 2015 7:35:12 GMT -5
Oh, I agree with this SO MUCH. Last night I was trying to find the It's A Fire video on the YouTube app on my TV and I couldn't even find the official one, hundreds or fan rips, but not the one that actually mattered. Needless to say I didn't bother watch any afterwards. I know it might seem hypocritical of me because I do have my own fan channel, but these days, I barely use it and if I do upload something, it's usally well after it's been released. But consider this, she never sold us the song, she added it to a brand new YouTube channel which means she is serious about gaining veiws and trying to make money and a living from said views. We can't give her the support she deserves if fans are being selfish and stealing those veiws for their own personal gain. We're better than this, out of respect, don't rip and upload your own, share her video instead. I think the difference with your channel is that it actually helps get the music out there in the first place. You're not literally taking a video and reposting it. Most of the songs are either rare/instrumentals or music that people wouldn't otherwise be able to hear unless they own the album. This is how I've got into a lot of bands. I'll hear a lesser known - non single record - on Youtube and then go out and buy the album based on that.
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moe
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Post by moe on Oct 31, 2015 7:36:41 GMT -5
Oh, I agree with this SO MUCH. Last night I was trying to find the It's A Fire video on the YouTube app on my TV and I couldn't even find the official one, hundreds or fan rips, but not the one that actually mattered. Needless to say I didn't bother watch any afterwards. I know it might seem hypocritical of me because I do have my own fan channel, but these days, I barely use it and if I do upload something, it's usally well after it's been released. But consider this, she never sold us the song, she added it to a brand new YouTube channel which means she is serious about gaining veiws and trying to make money and a living from said views. We can't give her the support she deserves if fans are being selfish and stealing those veiws for their own personal gain. We're better than this, out of respect, don't rip and upload your own, share her video instead. Seriously. I keep thinking about people who are not die hard fans (very possibly even important people in the music industry) searching her new songs and only finding annoying fan repostings. It is SUPER sad, actually. And most big names are not like that when you search youtube. All I see is a sea full of melodramatic screen names and re-postings of Ev songs until I search hard enough for her official channel. And it gets super annoying as I want to listen to her new song a lot and refuse to listen to the fan repostings. I have to search hard for her channel every time I search youtube on my PS4 youtube app and that SHOULD NOT be the case. EDIT: And yes, there is a huge difference from sharing songs that have been released for years or on a major record label as opposed to music released for free on her own official youtube channel, which doesn't have many followers!!! WTF
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Post by harridan on Oct 31, 2015 8:18:43 GMT -5
Hasn't it always been like this? Take whatever you can, label it as yours, earn meaningless internet points. It's super easy to press the share button and share a picture on your facebook page, twitter account or whatever platform you want but no, some people just have to take stuff and repost it. Of course, a watermark is mandatory. How else will everybody learn that you stole it with your own hands? Bonus points for ignoring complaints from the actual owner of the material. Feeling invincible up there on the douchebaggery throne? Reposting a brand new video is taking it to another level though because it's like taking money straight out of the artist's pocket. How thoughtful! As if it wasn't enough that you were already acting like stars personally owe you something, you decided to go ahead and take a part of their earnings. Well done, assholes! *slow clap*
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2015 8:26:48 GMT -5
Hasn't it always been like this? Take whatever you can, label it as yours, earn meaningless internet points. It's super easy to press the share button and share a picture on your facebook page, twitter account or whatever platform you want but no, some people just have to take stuff and repost it. Of course, a watermark is mandatory. How else will everybody learn that you stole it with your own hands? Bonus points for ignoring complaints from the actual owner of the material. Feeling invincible up there on the douchebaggery throne? Reposting a brand new video is taking it to another level though because it's like taking money straight out of the artist's pocket. How thoughtful! As if it wasn't enough that you were already acting like stars personally owe you something, you decided to go ahead and take a part of their earnings. Well done, assholes! *slow clap* Well said. Honestly took every word out of my mouth.
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Post by TDS on Oct 31, 2015 13:22:34 GMT -5
I agree with you a 100%. If you filter/classify by the number of views, you'll see Amy's video is second (first one is something irrelevant to the research) but if you classify by relevance, it doesn't show up. So maybe she didn't put the right keywords or something. Does anyone knows how it exactly work? Does the relevance rely on keywords? Or maybe the number of views and the position of the video on the page?
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Post by PJ. on Oct 31, 2015 18:37:09 GMT -5
I agree. Some fans just don't get it, it's sad but it happens to every artist not just Amy. That's why it's important when you search for It's a Fire to just click Amy's official link not any of the other rips. I was also surprised to see fans on my Twitter posting rip/download links for everyone. Dude, I get you are excited about the song and want to add it to your music but it's not fair to the artist. I figured Amy would post a link to Itunes to download the song that way.
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Post by AeternusAmatorius on Oct 31, 2015 19:21:39 GMT -5
I agree. Not to mention that Google pays a YouTuber for every so many views (if you set it up that way). This is why I just go to her website and click to view it from there.
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Post by happyevfan on Nov 1, 2015 3:56:11 GMT -5
I agree. Some fans just don't get it, it's sad but it happens to every artist not just Amy. That's why it's important when you search for It's a Fire to just click Amy's official link not any of the other rips. I was also surprised to see fans on my Twitter posting rip/download links for everyone. Dude, I get you are excited about the song and want to add it to your music but it's not fair to the artist. I figured Amy would post a link to Itunes to download the song that way. The name of the video plays the most significant role when searching for it. But except of the name you can also put "tags" on the video which are not seen by other user except the owner of the channel and help with the search. The MANY re-uploads are definitely a huge problem, but Amy's video probably doesn't have those tags, otherwise it would have appeared 1st no matter the re-uploads. But people should definitely STOP RE-UPLOADING Amy's whole video, especially when they don't even change a thing and just upload the exact same thing!!
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Post by princeofpersia on Nov 4, 2015 1:52:10 GMT -5
Thank you moe for the excellent thread. 110% agree with you...
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