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Post by Ring on Oct 8, 2014 13:29:41 GMT -5
R.I.P. Evanescence (1995-2012)
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Post by lostinparadise6 on Oct 8, 2014 13:52:42 GMT -5
R.I.P. Evanescence (1995-2012) That was exactly Amy's point. Ev is not over; they are still officially on break.
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Post by Rarkphoenix on Oct 27, 2014 15:01:51 GMT -5
R.I.P. Evanescence (1995-2012) EVANESCENCE DOES NOT SIMPLY DIE (that or they'll return as a zombie or something post 2050AD) I've also got a theory they're trying to outdo Tool with this one...
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Post by ravenprincess on Oct 31, 2014 18:25:00 GMT -5
I don't think Evanescence are dead yet, I think they're just sleeping. I agree totally with Amy where she says she gets bored of artists doing the same thing all the time, I love that all three of Evanescence's albums were different and now Amy herself is doing something completely different to that. And aftermath is on my Christmas list, I hope Father Christmas thinks I've been very good this year, I can't wait to hear it!
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Post by moe on Nov 2, 2014 13:05:49 GMT -5
I don't think Evanescence are dead yet, I think they're just sleeping. I agree totally with Amy where she says she gets bored of artists doing the same thing all the time, I love that all three of Evanescence's albums were different and now Amy herself is doing something completely different to that. And aftermath is on my Christmas list, I hope Father Christmas thinks I've been very good this year, I can't wait to hear it! It is on Youtube. You can still listen it isn't a sin. Just buy it later I understand that Amy needs to take time to grow. But on the other hand it REALLY sucks that after being a die hard fan since 2003 (almost 12 years) there are only three major Evanescence albums. That is seriously a low amount of material, and for someone as creative as Amy Lee there is no excuse. We all know that Amy has tons of music that we haven't heard. Well, let us hear it already! It has only been years and years......
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Post by calcol28 on Nov 2, 2014 23:30:54 GMT -5
I don't think Evanescence are dead yet, I think they're just sleeping. I agree totally with Amy where she says she gets bored of artists doing the same thing all the time, I love that all three of Evanescence's albums were different and now Amy herself is doing something completely different to that. And aftermath is on my Christmas list, I hope Father Christmas thinks I've been very good this year, I can't wait to hear it! It is on Youtube. You can still listen it isn't a sin. Just buy it later I understand that Amy needs to take time to grow. But on the other hand it REALLY sucks that after being a die hard fan since 2003 (almost 12 years) there are only three major Evanescence albums. That is seriously a low amount of material, and for someone as creative as Amy Lee there is no excuse. We all know that Amy has tons of music that we haven't heard. Well, let us hear it already! It has only been years and years...... Quoted for truth. Evanescence still is, and I think they always will be, my favorite band of all time... That's what makes these fucking awful waiting periods between albums so bad for me. Before everyone starts attacking me for stating my opinion, let me say that I know the band members have lives outside of Evanescence and that they want to live them. That's 100% fine. Great. Dandy, even! Completely abandoning the fan-base that has allowed them to live the fortunate (and financially blessed) lives they live now is just not ok with me. Release a greatest hits album. Release a remix album. Release another live album. Release an acoustic album. Release a 3 song EP for all I fucking care! JUST. DO. SOMETHING. I think the reason I'm so upset is because constantly hearing them saying that they "need a break" from this magical, wonderful, beautiful thing that *I*, not someone affiliated with the band in any way, shape or form, am SOOO passionate about is just utter bullshit. You have this massive platform for creating beautiful music with some of the most die-hard, passionate, and loyal fans in the world and you choose to wait 6 years between every single fucking album. Why is the wait so long every single time? What can seriously be distracting you SO FUCKING MUCH that you have to wait 6 goddamn years to put out a new record. You also don't even have the label breathing down your necks and telling you what you can and cannot release anymore, guys! So seriously just release some new stuff. Anything. /endrant #dontflameme #justanopinion
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Post by mrmellow on Nov 3, 2014 5:30:13 GMT -5
Have you ever tried writing and recording anything? The amount of time it takes to write everything, demo everything, find a producer, start recording properly, record orchestral parts, do a million and one takes of everything, add effects, start mixing (which means now trawling through hours and hours of recording), master the thing, promote it, record video and then go on a conveyor belt tour of samey interviews, go on tour meaning living in cramped conditions, not washing for days, not seeing your loved ones for months and months, living a cyclical, mind-numbing life that, while it's a great opportunity, it's monotonous and incredibly hard work. You're damn right people want a break from that. Artists and bands don't owe their fanbases anything. They just happen to be somebody that makes music that you like. You carry on liking them until you don't like them any more. That's how it works. Albums are done when they're done, and I'd rather have something that a band or artist deem as finished than something they rushed out to try and appease a whole bunch of people they don't know and never met. It's art, not a consumer product.
You know how many albums Portishead have released since 1997? Two. How many albums Kate Bush has released in the last 25 years? Four. How many albums Nine Inch Nails released between 1988 and 2005? Four. How many albums Tool have released since 1996? Three.
Compared to some people, Ev don't even come close.
This is just how long it takes for some people to a) have the will to create something and b) actually create something. Recording music is hard work. It can be insanely monotonous. It's an incredibly difficult process full of failed experimentation and endless repetition. You're damn right some people don't want to spend every second of their lives doing that just so fans have new music every other year. I don't want just new music. I want awesome music. And awesome music takes time.
Look, I don't want to sound like I'm flaming you or having a go or anything, and I feel your frustration. I'd love more Ev music. But I think it's important to take a reality check of the actual logistical difficulties of making music for a lot of people. Especially when they're signed to a major record label. There's an expectation about the quality of the music, and quality music takes a lot of time to produce for some people. Granted some people can do it quicker than others, but it's not as if there is no other music for you to listen to while you're waiting for Evanescence or Amy to make something new.
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Post by Ring on Nov 3, 2014 9:40:51 GMT -5
It is on Youtube. You can still listen it isn't a sin. Just buy it later I understand that Amy needs to take time to grow. But on the other hand it REALLY sucks that after being a die hard fan since 2003 (almost 12 years) there are only three major Evanescence albums. That is seriously a low amount of material, and for someone as creative as Amy Lee there is no excuse. We all know that Amy has tons of music that we haven't heard. Well, let us hear it already! It has only been years and years...... Quoted for truth. Evanescence still is, and I think they always will be, my favorite band of all time... That's what makes these f*cking awful waiting periods between albums so bad for me. Before everyone starts attacking me for stating my opinion, let me say that I know the band members have lives outside of Evanescence and that they want to live them. That's 100% fine. Great. Dandy, even! Completely abandoning the fan-base that has allowed them to live the fortunate (and financially blessed) lives they live now is just not ok with me. Release a greatest hits album. Release a remix album. Release another live album. Release an acoustic album. Release a 3 song EP for all I f*cking care! JUST. DO. SOMETHING. I think the reason I'm so upset is because constantly hearing them saying that they "need a break" from this magical, wonderful, beautiful thing that *I*, not someone affiliated with the band in any way, shape or form, am SOOO passionate about is just utter bullshit. You have this massive platform for creating beautiful music with some of the most die-hard, passionate, and loyal fans in the world and you choose to wait 6 years between every single f*cking album. Why is the wait so long every single time? What can seriously be distracting you SO f*ckING MUCH that you have to wait 6 goddamn years to put out a new record. You also don't even have the label breathing down your necks and telling you what you can and cannot release anymore, guys! So seriously just release some new stuff. Anything. /endrant #dontflameme #justanopinion Agreed. Being an Evanescence fan is seriously the most boring thing ever. Even the Ev3 era was kind of boring.
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Post by carolexodus on Nov 3, 2014 13:23:00 GMT -5
lol, don't even remind me of Portishead, I'm still waiting for that fourth album That's even harder than being an Ev fan! Anyway, I'm sort of used to Ev/Amy taking time to put out new stuff, now that Amy is a mom and the band is in hiatus I don't expect new music anytime soon. I don't have huge wishes either, all I'd like to get is an Amy Lee album with absolutely everything she's been holding back and changing to fit what the label wanted. I want to see all that creativity in one solo album, all those other colors she's been opressing. Aftermath was a nice step in that direction, but it was a soundtrack after all and as such it was tied to certain expectations, it had to fit the movie and certain scenes. I don't know if I'll like it, but it's something I've been wanting to hear for a while: Amy without external pressure. I don't mind if it comes out next year or in 3 more years. After that, who knows what future holds? Maybe a new Ev album, maybe a new Amy album, maybe a collaboration, maybe 10 years of silence. I'm prepared. But getting Amy's solo album at some point would be very nice. Then the world can come to it's end, I won't mind.
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Post by calcol28 on Nov 3, 2014 21:52:28 GMT -5
Have you ever tried writing and recording anything? The amount of time it takes to write everything, demo everything, find a producer, start recording properly, record orchestral parts, do a million and one takes of everything, add effects, start mixing (which means now trawling through hours and hours of recording), master the thing, promote it, record video and then go on a conveyor belt tour of samey interviews, go on tour meaning living in cramped conditions, not washing for days, not seeing your loved ones for months and months, living a cyclical, mind-numbing life that, while it's a great opportunity, it's monotonous and incredibly hard work. You're damn right people want a break from that. Artists and bands don't owe their fanbases anything. They just happen to be somebody that makes music that you like. You carry on liking them until you don't like them any more. That's how it works. Albums are done when they're done, and I'd rather have something that a band or artist deem as finished than something they rushed out to try and appease a whole bunch of people they don't know and never met. It's art, not a consumer product. You know how many albums Portishead have released since 1997? Two. How many albums Kate Bush has released in the last 25 years? Four. How many albums Nine Inch Nails released between 1988 and 2005? Four. How many albums Tool have released since 1996? Three. Compared to some people, Ev don't even come close. This is just how long it takes for some people to a) have the will to create something and b) actually create something. Recording music is hard work. It can be insanely monotonous. It's an incredibly difficult process full of failed experimentation and endless repetition. You're damn right some people don't want to spend every second of their lives doing that just so fans have new music every other year. I don't want just new music. I want awesome music. And awesome music takes time. Look, I don't want to sound like I'm flaming you or having a go or anything, and I feel your frustration. I'd love more Ev music. But I think it's important to take a reality check of the actual logistical difficulties of making music for a lot of people. Especially when they're signed to a major record label. There's an expectation about the quality of the music, and quality music takes a lot of time to produce for some people. Granted some people can do it quicker than others, but it's not as if there is no other music for you to listen to while you're waiting for Evanescence or Amy to make something new. 1. Yes, I have written and recorded my own material in the past at a professional studio so I understand that it is a long, repetitive, boring process to get into a studio for months at a time to get an album sounding the way you want. Tough shit, Evanescence! Someone call the flippin cry-baby police for the band members, they can't even put in one real day of work in 6 years because it's so hard! Evanescence is huge. It's beautiful, it's unique, and it's huge. They can do anything they want with it now that they have freedom, but they still choose to sit on their asses for years at a time while we patiently await new music. It's their choice, but I think it's a super shitty one. 2. When did I say they ever needed to tour? To do interviews? To release flipping music videos? The whole point of them being free from Wind-Up is that they can now do whatever the hell they want. If that doesn't include world tours, boring ass interviews, and low-budget music videos then that's fine! As long as they do SOMETHING to keep the loyal fanbase happy. Months and months on the road trying to visit every corner of the world isn't realistic for Evanescence anymore because they don't have a label flying them around, and to be honest, I couldnt care less if they toured a million shows a year or TWO. Just do SOMETHING. These breaks are getting more and more ridiculous every day. 3. I know Amy, more than anyone else in the band, is a perfectionist. Why can they not just follow what a bunch of cool new artists are doing and release 1-digital-download-only song every month or two? That'd give her PLENTY of down time every single month to write and record. Not every song has to be some grand majestic orchestral masterpiece before they can release it! One of my favorite songs of all time is The Last Song I'm Wasting On You... Just Amy and a piano. She could've done that in one friggin take. Or they could even just do a video-blog! That'd be flippin SWEET. Can you imagine getting multiple videos a month of Amy twiddling around on the piano or the guys coming up with riffs in a basement somewhere? That'd be MORE than enough to keep the fans happy til they get around to releasing a full album or, heaven forbid, a world tour again. 4. I think the reason the whole waiting thing bothers me so much is because this music is the music that I am the most passionate about. Amy's voice and dark lyrics mixed with her piano, harp, and atmospheric synths along with a full orchestra and choir behind driving nu-metal guitars, bass, and drums are what *I* personally like to hear more than anything in the world. Of course there are other bands and musicians that I enjoy listening to, some of which have similar styles and matching qualities to Evanescence, but there will NEVER be anything like Evanescence. I crave the music they put out more than anyone else in the world, and to be deprived of new music from them is heartbreaking to me. So basically the reason I'm upset is because I love Evanescence and I believe in them. Their music heals people, and it's unlike anything else i've ever heard. I need more. I want more. They won't give me more, and it makes me sad. (P.S. : I always love your posts, MrMellow. You are very good at getting your point across, and I have a lot of respect for you. I hope you don't think I sound like a douche or that I dislike you... Cuz you're a cool guy! )
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Post by mrmellow on Nov 4, 2014 12:39:31 GMT -5
No worries, I totally get your frustration. And don't get me wrong - I'd love more Ev material. But I'd rather have less and know that it's of such great quality than a lot of mediocre music.
It's also important to remember that until recently, Evanescence were contractually bound in the way they could release music. The band was essentially seen as a money-making venture for Wind Up, and Evanescence couldn't release music unless they got the OK from their record label (as we experienced with the whole Lillywhite extravaganza). I think if the band had more say, we'd have more material. The sad reality of being signed to a major record label is that they have a huge say in the kind of music you release (unless you've signed an incredible contract). That limits a band over what they can release, and we know that Ev have experienced this. There's no way Wind Up would have allowed a band they can still make money off through album sales to digitally release a song a month.
How many songs did Amy say they wrote for Ev3? 19-20? Then there's all the Lillywhite stuff, various b-sides from the Fallen and Open Door eras, the release of Your Love messing up....there are all sorts of Ev songs out there that we will just never hear because of their contract with Wind Up. I'd wager it's at least double the amount of officially released material.
And if I was Amy, and my music kept being restricted and every album and tour cycle became a complete, emotionally draining battle, I'd probably space out my albums as well.
Fingers crossed now she's not contractually obliged, Amy will start releasing even more music (and hopefully, in the future, Ev will too). But like I said, as much as I want them to release music, Evanescence, and Amy, are under no obligation to us as fans. They just made music that we love and we relate to, and no matter what happens, we still have everything they've released up until this point to come back to. In the mean time, there are plenty of other artists and bands to concentrate on. Placing all of your hopes on one band releasing new material whenever you've got a hankering for some is bound to end up in frustration.
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Post by Rarkphoenix on Nov 6, 2014 12:57:44 GMT -5
I actually quite like the gaps between albums, myself. I sort of feel like I appreciate them more as a result.
I tend to find I play the most recent album almost daily for a while and get immersed in the whole hype of the concept, era artwork, photo shoots and tour, then that fades after the tour's over and I end up revisiting older material and feeling that nostalgia. Then the novelty and nostalgia dry up, and I feel like being creative myself to bide the time until the next release. I start to wonder if there'll ever be a release, then one comes out of nowhere and completely changes my perspectives and expectations.
The worst thing is when you expect it, when you know it's coming, you know what's coming, you know when it's coming, and it doesn't. There's something magical about not knowing and having no real expectations, because some of the best things in life are those random and unpredictable affirmations.
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Post by ladylollydragon (Kazlan) on Nov 12, 2014 0:52:42 GMT -5
I feel like the gaps between Ev albums give us all a chance to appreciate other bands, too. When Ev is active, it's pretty much all I care about, but their downtime gives me plenty of opportunity to listen to other music, give other favourites my attention, and it makes any news we get from Amy much more exciting.
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Post by Rarkphoenix on Nov 13, 2014 13:46:36 GMT -5
^ This too! I think the joy with bands that take breaks is it does allow you the time and almost forces you to explore other kinds of music. It also allows fans to find themselves a bit I think. Getting caught up in non-stop hype and band reverence does sort of eat away at the self after a while. If you follow a band religiously for too long without doing much else there's always the sort of "well I've been loyal to this artist from the beginning, but what have I actually achieved myself in that time?". It really does depends how far people are prepared to follow an artist too, of course.
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Post by DeMarzi on Nov 13, 2014 22:42:29 GMT -5
^ You guys are way more optimistic than I am. I often find myself stuck on youtube for hours reliving old performances and interviews and I get just so damn sad that it will never be quite the same.
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