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Post by carolexodus on Apr 14, 2013 20:43:58 GMT -5
It would also be sweet if Amy joined or started another group. That super band Lzzy Hale named once, and all-girl band, something like that would be cool to alternate with Evanescence. But, idk, Amy doesn't seem like the sort of person who likes working the whole time. She likes having time for herself, for her personal life and to write and compose calmly, so maybe keeping up with two bands at the same time would be a pain in the ass for someone like her.
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Post by moe on Apr 15, 2013 15:24:52 GMT -5
It really bugs me whenever a tour is over and Amy says things like "oh, I just have to wait for the inspiration to come". It just seems like such a cop-out. I am an art student, and if there is one thing that I have learned, it is that inspiration is sh*t... Most of the time you just have to stick to your guns and go into a project without too much forethought on what you are going to do. Inspiration will naturally follow. Amy Lee is an artist, and we all know she would be able to go into something blindly. Sometimes that is exactly what you have to do in order to not come up with the same thing over and over again, which lets fact it, even though each Ev album sounds better than the one previous to it, there is not too much evolution within the music. I understand that Amy Lee needs time to grow personally, etc. etc. But don't use the excuse of having to wait for inspiration to come. It is BS. Also, there are many other solutions to making and releasing music than having to wait for a new idea for an Ev album. One thing she could do is let the guys in the band start writing without her and then she can come in later when she feels ready. That is a new strategy that could produce some killer results.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2013 17:13:01 GMT -5
It really bugs me whenever a tour is over and Amy says things like "oh, I just have to wait for the inspiration to come". It just seems like such a cop-out. I am an art student, and if there is one thing that I have learned, it is that inspiration is sh*t... Most of the time you just have to stick to your guns and go into a project without too much forethought on what you are going to do. Inspiration will naturally follow. Amy Lee is an artist, and we all know she would be able to go into something blindly. Sometimes that is exactly what you have to do in order to not come up with the same thing over and over again, which lets fact it, even though each Ev album sounds better than the one previous to it, there is not too much evolution within the music. I understand that Amy Lee needs time to grow personally, etc. etc. But don't use the excuse of having to wait for inspiration to come. It is BS. Also, there are many other solutions to making and releasing music than having to wait for a new idea for an Ev album. One thing she could do is let the guys in the band start writing without her and then she can come in later when she feels ready. That is a new strategy that could produce some killer results. Exactly my point. As I stated that on the old Evthreads, she is using "inspiration" as a cover-up for her lazy-ass.
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Post by Bill Shadderkatt on Apr 15, 2013 17:31:06 GMT -5
Oh, come on. Like Amy doesn't deserve a break? You act like she owes you something. Amy doesn't owe any of us anything. Amy does what she what she wants!
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Post by carolexodus on Apr 15, 2013 18:07:22 GMT -5
WHy would it be necessary for Amy to say that excuse, though? She could just say she doesn't feel like making an album at the moment and that would be it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2013 18:46:30 GMT -5
I disagree about it being an excuse... I am also an artist and what she says makes perfect sense to me. One thing you are right about is "inspiration" is crap, to an extent. Going in blind has always produced my best work while trying to create some fixed idea in my head (an inspiration) usually results in something disappointing... But, there is another kind of inspiration, and that is pure inspiration to create. There's inspiration in the form of ideas, and then there's whether or not you have the will or even any new feelings or thoughts to put into new work. You can't keep writing about the same feelings, you have to wait for some personal development before you feel anything strong enough to create a song you're happy with. Sometimes you just don't have anything to write about. Fiona Apple is the same as Amy in this regard... She doesn't stop and think "I'm gonna write a song" or start writing an album... She waits around for years until the album starts to come together on its own as a natural creative outlet, not a mission she set out on to please someone or keep herself relevant.
Another thing comes to mind, since someone could ask "why doesn't Amy just finish/release the songs she's already written", but I know from experience that older songs that never quite saw the light of day tend to lose my interest as an artist... I wrote them and I love them, but they always get put aside. After writing the third album it wouldn't surprise me if she doesn't feel as strong of a connection with the unreleased songs as she did years ago.
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Post by AeternusAmatorius on Apr 15, 2013 20:42:50 GMT -5
It really bugs me whenever a tour is over and Amy says things like "oh, I just have to wait for the inspiration to come". It just seems like such a cop-out. I am an art student, and if there is one thing that I have learned, it is that inspiration is sh*t... Most of the time you just have to stick to your guns and go into a project without too much forethought on what you are going to do. Inspiration will naturally follow. Amy Lee is an artist, and we all know she would be able to go into something blindly. Sometimes that is exactly what you have to do in order to not come up with the same thing over and over again, which lets fact it, even though each Ev album sounds better than the one previous to it, there is not too much evolution within the music. I understand that Amy Lee needs time to grow personally, etc. etc. But don't use the excuse of having to wait for inspiration to come. It is BS. Also, there are many other solutions to making and releasing music than having to wait for a new idea for an Ev album. One thing she could do is let the guys in the band start writing without her and then she can come in later when she feels ready. That is a new strategy that could produce some killer results. Just because you're an art student and have learned that you have to push your "inspiration", or do things without the inspiration, does not mean Amy is the same way. I'm am the exact same to Amy. I cannot do something, or start something, when there is no inspiration (whether it's a forced idea, or an idea that just comes to me that I do not elaborate on). Everyone is different.
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Post by Lycrymosa on Apr 15, 2013 21:06:32 GMT -5
I don't think Amy is using inspiration as an excuse. I just think she want some normal person time and she will get back to writing and Ev eventually when she feels like it. Theres nothing wrong with that. Yes it means we get this uncertainty between albums, but it also means we will get something great when the time is right. As for Ev not "growing" between albums, I think that is more Wind-Ups fault for not allowing Amy to do exactly what she wants creatively, but I personally am not complaining because I've loved everything Ev has put out to date and look forward to what they come up with next.
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Post by Titanic on Apr 15, 2013 21:18:25 GMT -5
I don't think Amy is using inspiration as an excuse. I just think she want some normal person time and she will get back to writing and Ev eventually when she feels like it. Theres nothing wrong with that. Yes it means we get this uncertainty between albums, but it also means we will get something great when the time is right. As for Ev not "growing" between albums, I think that is more Wind-Ups fault for not allowing Amy to do exactly what she wants creatively, but I personally am not complaining because I've loved everything Ev has put out to date and look forward to what they come up with next. I agree with this. Also I don't think people realize Amy is also a songwriter in every sense of the term, so she ends up writing the melodies, lyrics and themes of all her music. That requires a lot of time and she always delivers beautiful and quality material. Don't forget that she also essentially made two albums, the Lillywhite sessions AND Ev3 in the span of her last break, so you can blame Wind-Up for us not having a second album to account for the delay in Ev3's release, because we'd have an entirely new album on our hands if they'd allow Amy to release it and stop stifling her creative control. I blame them for EVERYTHING. Meanwhile Aeternus identified the Fireplace song I posted earlier was something Amy wrote while on tour, so she's still amassing material. I don't mind if she takes her time, I just want to see some of the material like Stomin' Steve released in between now and the next album and I'd also love to see her tell WU to BUTT OUT.
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Post by AeternusAmatorius on Apr 15, 2013 22:12:48 GMT -5
I don't think Amy is using inspiration as an excuse. I just think she want some normal person time and she will get back to writing and Ev eventually when she feels like it. Theres nothing wrong with that. Yes it means we get this uncertainty between albums, but it also means we will get something great when the time is right. As for Ev not "growing" between albums, I think that is more Wind-Ups fault for not allowing Amy to do exactly what she wants creatively, but I personally am not complaining because I've loved everything Ev has put out to date and look forward to what they come up with next. I agree with this. Also I don't think people realize Amy is also a songwriter in every sense of the term, so she ends up writing the melodies, lyrics and themes of all her music. That requires a lot of time and she always delivers beautiful and quality material. Don't forget that she also essentially made two albums, the Lillywhite sessions AND Ev3 in the span of her last break, so you can blame Wind-Up for us not having a second album to account for the delay in Ev3's release, because we'd have an entirely new album on our hands if they'd allow Amy to release it and stop stifling her creative control. I blame them for EVERYTHING. Meanwhile Aeternus identified the Fireplace song I posted earlier was something Amy wrote while on tour, so she's still amassing material. I don't mind if she takes her time, I just want to see some of the material like Stomin' Steve released in between now and the next album and I'd also love to see her tell WU to BUTT OUT. I said she most likely wrote it AFTER tour. It's most likely just a song for her. Amy did stick up to Wind-Up. She did it for The Open Door. The decision with Ev3 and Lillywhite Sessions were most likely a mutual decision.
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Post by Titanic on Apr 15, 2013 23:31:54 GMT -5
She probably only agreed with WU for the sake of releasing another Evanescence record knowing her Lillywhite material was more of a solo project. The question is, what will become of all of that material now that the band has stopped touring? A new album in the works, a release of those songs to hold fans over? Time will tell. I'd like her to release them as a solo project or something but only she knows what she'll do.
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Post by ~Blu~Phnix~ on Apr 24, 2013 15:20:01 GMT -5
Amy's also an emotional person and seems like, after it's all over, the album process, touring, press, etc... she has to decompress. Like it drains her out so much and she has to recharge to allow the spark to come back. She's said as much. Putting so much energy into something can do that. Emotional drain out is just as intense as physical. In her case, it's a bit of both. I don't see it as in excuse. Every artist is different in how they approach their work and inspiration. Look how long Daniel Day Lewis takes between acting projects. ; )
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Post by Titanic on Sept 12, 2013 14:05:33 GMT -5
Or at least release a solo EP/album. And not just the Lillywhite tracks. I mean another one in addition to those.
I got this impression when I heard the Twitvid for Disappear on my iPod. I listen to it more than eve the Rock versions of the song. That may have been how it was intended, to be a heavier song, but whenever I listen to songs like Together Again, Secret Door or a stripped down Disappear, I long to hear just Amy's cool haunting voice against crystal clear piano.
Don't get me wrong, I love Evanescence, and I feel the rock songs are GREAT to compliment the ballads. I felt The Open Door had the best balance between high energy Rock that was perfect as heavier material, and beautiful Amy-driven ballads. But Evanescence the album contrasted with my anticipation for a more Amy-centric release from the Lillywhite sessions just killed my passion to hear any more Evanescence material for a while frankly. Secret Door alone isn't enough despite being my favorite song.
I don't want to hear guitars roar over her voice, or her to scream unappealing notes to be heard over them. Writing music "as a band" failed, in my opinion. Amy and Terry alone should write IMO... or her and just one other writer. Less is more.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2013 15:57:23 GMT -5
I disagree you on that so bad that you can't even imagine.I love EV3 and today 2 years after the relase, I'm listening those "heavy songs" everyday. EV3 is their best effort when it comes to the musicality. I am a guitar player myself. First thing I noticed about the album when I first gave it a listen, there were actual riffs and they were real good. Bass lines were awesome and drumming was perfect. Programming was really on the scale. I don't even have words for lyrics, vocals and melodies. Amy reached the top with vocals in this album that I didn't even think she could. What I'm saying is that last album is a very refined and integrated album that you can find everything at their best. I can feel every emotions while I am reaching eargasm. I think what you need to do is that listen the album with trained ears this time. Because what you're saying about those noises blocking Amy's vocals are just awesomeness layer by layer.
By the way don't get me wrong I love the piano ballads as well. But Evanescence is not just consisted of those ballads. Nor does Amy. Expecting her to make just ballads, would be cutting her muse's wings. Her music would become less inspiring. That wouldn't be Amy Lee. Because she says herself that she loves their heavier songs.
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Post by LithiumGoingUnder on Sept 12, 2013 16:11:17 GMT -5
I would love to hear the Lillywhite tracks,but I don't think Amy should go solo because I like those ''heavy'' Ev songs...Still on Ev3 there were ballads like Swimming Home or Secret Door. It would be just as good if they kept adding songs like that so there would be something for everyone on one album. But I wouldn't mind if Amy decided to go solo... Listening to the twitvids and songs like the two I mentioned is a good reason for a solo... album...but still, not abandonment of Evanescence
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