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Post by Lycrymosa on Apr 7, 2013 22:40:02 GMT -5
^ don't forget that there are songs that Amy said "even the fanliest of fans don't know about" so I'm sure there are plently more that have never even been spoken about I think Wind-Up are holding off on the B-sides and rarities album until Amy decides to have another big haitus. Amy said she wanted to make another Ev album at the London M&G so I'm guessing that will happen next, then after that, who knows
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Post by JohnnyScott on Apr 8, 2013 19:05:23 GMT -5
"The Open Door" were created just 16 songs "Your Love" the song of 2008
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Post by DarkFlare89 on Apr 8, 2013 19:27:14 GMT -5
what are all the songs never released? I'll go by era for you. 1995-2002 songs that were never officially released and songs we do not know about Catherine Faixa Five The 15th song they wrote for Fallen. If You Don't Mind (Studio) The other two from the TOD era (according to Renee who said there were 18 songs) TOD Demos or other song that we do not know about from that era. 2009-2010 Lillywhite sessions/other songs like Your Love, Hi-Lo, You've Got A Lot To Learn, and ones we do not know about The three songs that they went into the studio with that were not recorded Any other Ev3 Era songs that we do not know about On topic: I would personally like an Ev B-Sides/Rarities album, the Lillywhite songs, and a solo album. I'd add to that the song "Spanish" and a studio version of the song they performed in 1999 (the "Unknown Song"/ Me in You). Also any other 2001 - 2002 demos (all the ones we uncovered from Making of Fallen) that we don't have. Oh yeah, I think a B-Side album would be great. The question is what can we, realistically, expect to see on there. Maybe in our wildest fantasies, Wind-Up would put something we have never heard of on there, but this is (after all) Wind-Up (LOL not Transmission Records) we are talking about here. Neat things and edits aren't Wind-Up's forte. "The Open Door" were created just 16 songs "Your Love" the song of 2008 According to Amy, that is. According to John Lee, they recorded 17 songs. According to Renee, they recorded 18 songs and all 18 were on her CD that she talked about on ev.it. She insisted there were 18 - I personally questioned her on this and she very specifically stated this on the forums. It could very well be two (out of the four) of those mysterious TOD Instrumentals were on there. That is a possibility after all. Note, her version of the CD had the Narnia Song (i.e. the first Together Again demo) that had GE's intro on it. Thus, her CD pre-dated the naming of Together Again, and the finalization of Good Enough. So she probably had an un-mastered CD . . . maybe? I think Wind-Up are holding off on the B-sides and rarities album until Amy decides to have another big haitus. Amy said she wanted to make another Ev album at the London M&G so I'm guessing that will happen next, then after that, who knows Huh. That's interesting. Maybe during the next hiatus, Amy can do her solo release AND Wind-Up can do a B-Side thing, so then that way both are kinda kept alive during the long break?
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Post by AeternusAmatorius on Apr 8, 2013 20:21:54 GMT -5
^ don't forget that there are songs that Amy said "even the fanliest of fans don't know about" so I'm sure there are plently more that have never even been spoken about Lol. Yeah. I was trying to make a tentative list. lol. "The Open Door" were created just 16 songs "Your Love" the song of 2008 No there were roughly 17 to 18 songs for TOD. Amy's dad said 17 and Renee said 18. There are also 4 instrumental songs on the OneTen Management disc that TA Demo and IYDM were on. Also, Lycrymosa: I agree. Amy has stated all this era that she would love to make another Ev album and she hopes she doesn't wait as long again. She also said she wants to do a mellow-er album (something not driven by loud guitars). I really hope there will be at least 2 more Ev albums before they call it quits but there could be a solo album in there somewhere. I LOVE Amy's rendition of HDTS and I also LOVE the Lost Whispers intro and Stompin' Steve. I hope we get a Solo Amy album similar to this sound someday. I just don't want a solo career to mean the end of Evanescence. EVANESCENCE MUST AND SHALL LIVE ON FOREVER!!!!!!!!!!!!! <Mad scientist
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Post by Lycrymosa on Apr 9, 2013 2:16:02 GMT -5
TBH I don't think Ev will ever end, Amy will keep going back to it, even if it takes years between albums. It will be like Korn where it just keeps going and going and the band members may do other projects inbetween, and band members come and go but the band always comes together in the end. I mean Head came back after all these years and all the shit that went down LOL Evanescence will never die!
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Post by vampirewish on Apr 9, 2013 4:07:09 GMT -5
Hi new here, just wanted to give my 2 cents about the next step that should be taken since I know many people inside the music industry and record labels...
If we want Evanescence to be successful and all over the radio again the next logical and business move to make is Amy Lee going solo. Since the 3rd album was a flop with no hit single and basically the whole world not even knowing they made a 3rd album, they need a new direction. If they want a commercial success like The Open Door (its impossible to compete with fallen sales, ever, now) Evanescence needs to take a break and Amy go solo for a album. She needs to collaborate with big name producers (timbaland, Redone, Randy Jackson, David Guetta, ect.) and huge pop stars (Adele, lady gaga, Katy Perry, Nicki Minaj)! It will remind the world that Amy Lee is still relevant and once Amy as a solo artist has a few hit songs then the momentum of a new evanescence album will grow and the demand of a 4th ev record will make the album successful without a doubt. And we will have more ev hits! That's what happened with Gwen stefani and it WILL happen with Ev!
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Post by Lycrymosa on Apr 9, 2013 4:51:54 GMT -5
^Welcome Do you work for Wind-Up by chance? lol lol jokes aside, I don't think any of that will ever happen. It's what some people would call "selling out" and Amy seems dead against that. It seems more than anything that Amy just wants a chance to make music she wants to make , without record labels sticking thier commercial beaks in. Evanescence has enough of a loyal fan base for them to not need hits on the radio. Evanescence can leave for 5 years and come back and have thier album shoot straight to number 1, without much of the general public even knowing they came back. Thats an amazing achievement. It probably would have had much more commercial success (on rock radio) if the promotion had been handled better. Of course it's nice when they do get a hit, but I don't think it's necessary anymore.
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Post by Andromeda - Evanescent-Killjoy on Apr 9, 2013 5:22:49 GMT -5
Hi new here, just wanted to give my 2 cents about the next step that should be taken since I know many people inside the music industry and record labels... If we want Evanescence to be successful and all over the radio again the next logical and business move to make is Amy Lee going solo. Since the 3rd album was a flop with no hit single and basically the whole world not even knowing they made a 3rd album, they need a new direction. If they want a commercial success like The Open Door (its impossible to compete with fallen sales, ever, now) Evanescence needs to take a break and Amy go solo for a album. She needs to collaborate with big name producers (timbaland, Redone, Randy Jackson, David Guetta, ect.) and huge pop stars (Adele, lady gaga, Katy Perry, Nicki Minaj)! It will remind the world that Amy Lee is still relevant and once Amy as a solo artist has a few hit songs then the momentum of a new evanescence album will grow and the demand of a 4th ev record will make the album successful without a doubt. And we will have more ev hits! That's what happened with Gwen stefani and it WILL happen with Ev! I've been reading this thread and i have to say your absolutely right. today there is no room for a Rock band on the charts, its dominated by solo artists, Teen eye candy groups, DJ's and a collaboration of them. Im sure windup wants to make money, and even if amy was ready and raring to go to do another ev album.... the market isn't right, theres no way they will fund a new album after Ev3's.... performance and so soon i don't think so. B side abum.. who would buy it? us crazy fans for sure... but it wont make them much money, especially if they do just digital sales which is the only way to reduce costs of manufacturing cause we all know every day people wont buy something marked as Bsides or the stuff that was good but not good enough to make it on an album (which was probably decided by management). So back to Amy going solo.. yea if she works with the right people on the right stuff for sure she could have a hit that reached top 10 on the pop charts. but that would mean... may be Amy would not be as creatively involved in the "music making process." Most of these pop artists have a team or songwriters and producers behind them writing and recording the songs some time with little or no contribution from the original artist other than the vocals... even then they are told what melody to sing.. because its all been pre determined. This is not something i see Amy doing ever. If Amy goes solo i feel as if to a certain extent it would mean starting from scratch for her... cause lets face it people out side our fan circles know her as that gothic chick that sings in that gothic emo band. Of course we would be extremely supportive but the record label already has our money and loyalty to the band... they want more, cause its not enough.
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Post by Titanic on Apr 9, 2013 10:48:59 GMT -5
Ev3 hit #1, and it was done after a long hiatus with poor promotion and no hit single on an album the label forced on them rather than one Amy had planned - to me that's not a flop but a great success. It's not mainstream success because Amy is first and foremost making meaningful music and like Christina Aguilera she's not playing into the Pop formula like others on the charts to buy her way into selling and exposure. She's doing it her creative way, and we'd have received an even better album had she had it her way from the beginning, but even then Ev3 is a great Evanescence album even if it isn't balanced enough to have the ballads and soothing songs we fans like most. TBH I don't think Ev will ever end, Amy will keep going back to it, even if it takes years between albums. It will be like Korn where it just keeps going and going and the band members may do other projects inbetween, and band members come and go but the band always comes together in the end. I mean Head came back after all these years and all the shit that went down LOL Evanescence will never die! I agree that Evanescence won't and shouldn't have to end. But after Ev3 giving us more of Evanescence's rock side and less of Amy, and less of their classic sound in favor of safe boring generic rock that in some cases could have been songs made by just about any other band out there and did NOT have Amy's signature touch for Evanescence, I think it's an opportune time after the tour ends to either release the Lillywhite sessions on a solo album or a B-sides album. Because as long as the label wants Evanescence to do albums of solid Rock, fans are going to lose interest and long for the days Evanescence had more control over their sound, especially Amy. I miss hearing her haunting soft voice over a beautiful choir of spirits like we heard on "Stompin' Steve." That's the music I was longing for and expecting on Ev3. Some songs delivered that such as "Oceans" but she was struggling to have a presence on those songs on Ev3, and that's never been the case even on Evanescence material for TOD. It's just frustrating because honestly, Wind-Up was uncertain about TOD and forced Amy to FIGHT for its release, and when she finally got the green light the album sold half a million in its first week. The fact Ev3 sold so well after such a long hiatus during an uncertain time in the music industry testifies to the fact TOD had staying power and didn't just ride completely on Fallen's success, especially since there was a 3 year gap there too. WHY they would limit her creativity when she PROVED herself is beyond me, but it's probably because of how long it had been since TOD. Which they stalled that album too and made the gap LONGER so IDK....
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Post by Lycrymosa on Apr 9, 2013 14:32:21 GMT -5
I think people hype themselves over the lillywhite sessions way too much and would probably get disappointed. Those twitvids we got are only parts of the songs and people tend to think thats what the finished product would sound like. Even though there were those electronic elements, there still would have been some guitars, bass and drums over those melodies in the end. It's like what happened with Disappear, everyone built up that it was going to be a ballad because of the twitvid and people got really upset when it was far from it. If you listen to the backing track of Weight of the World without the guitars and drumc etc, it sounds really similar to Stompin Steve, so if anything I think the lillywhite sessions would be more like an extension of TOD rather than a purely electronic album. So in saying that some of those songs may be better suited for an Ev album rather than a solo album.
I don't know if Amy could make a purely solo album, it would probably just end up being associated with Ev or sounding like Ev simply because Amy pretty much IS Ev. She is the creative force behind it. So if anything, a more solo project for Amy would be getting into film scoring or something completely different like that, rather than releasing an album
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Post by AeternusAmatorius on Apr 9, 2013 15:26:43 GMT -5
TBH I don't think Ev will ever end, Amy will keep going back to it, even if it takes years between albums. It will be like Korn where it just keeps going and going and the band members may do other projects inbetween, and band members come and go but the band always comes together in the end. I mean Head came back after all these years and all the shit that went down LOL Evanescence will never die! Long live the Evanescence! Long live the Evanescence! Long live the Evanescence! lol. Yeah. Man, Korn has been around since what, '93? There's also NIN, Metallica, and Black Sabbath and Ozzy Osbourne. Those bands always seem to come back then go away for a while then come back. Even Soundgarden (I think) came back after 10 years with their new song on the Avenger's Assemble soundtrack. But yeah, I think you're right. Evanescence probably never will call it quits until Amy (or the guys) die (please don't let that be for another thousand years!). I just hope that when Evanescence does come back, it'll be the same 2011-2012 era line-up. Hi new here, just wanted to give my 2 cents about the next step that should be taken since I know many people inside the music industry and record labels... If we want Evanescence to be successful and all over the radio again the next logical and business move to make is Amy Lee going solo. Since the 3rd album was a flop with no hit single and basically the whole world not even knowing they made a 3rd album, they need a new direction. If they want a commercial success like The Open Door (its impossible to compete with fallen sales, ever, now) Evanescence needs to take a break and Amy go solo for a album. She needs to collaborate with big name producers (timbaland, Redone, Randy Jackson, David Guetta, ect.) and huge pop stars (Adele, lady gaga, Katy Perry, Nicki Minaj)! It will remind the world that Amy Lee is still relevant and once Amy as a solo artist has a few hit songs then the momentum of a new evanescence album will grow and the demand of a 4th ev record will make the album successful without a doubt. And we will have more ev hits! That's what happened with Gwen stefani and it WILL happen with Ev! I only agree with some of what you said. Ev3 was not a flop. It hit #1 on a few charts and stayed there for a sufficient amount of time. WYW was a pretty big hit too however, LIP was the hit of the album when the album came out. Just because it wasn't a hit when it was declared a single, doesn't really mean much (in my opinion). LIP was a hit.
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Post by Titanic on Apr 9, 2013 23:06:14 GMT -5
I think people hype themselves over the lillywhite sessions way too much and would probably get disappointed. Those twitvids we got are only parts of the songs and people tend to think thats what the finished product would sound like. Even though there were those electronic elements, there still would have been some guitars, bass and drums over those melodies in the end. It's like what happened with Disappear, everyone built up that it was going to be a ballad because of the twitvid and people got really upset when it was far from it. If you listen to the backing track of Weight of the World without the guitars and drumc etc, it sounds really similar to Stompin Steve, so if anything I think the lillywhite sessions would be more like an extension of TOD rather than a purely electronic album. So in saying that some of those songs may be better suited for an Ev album rather than a solo album. I don't know if Amy could make a purely solo album, it would probably just end up being associated with Ev or sounding like Ev simply because Amy pretty much IS Ev. She is the creative force behind it. So if anything, a more solo project for Amy would be getting into film scoring or something completely different like that, rather than releasing an album How sure are you though that Disappear didn't start out as a ballad until Wind-Up forced the Rock theme down Amy's throat and forced her to re-work it with a Rock producer's and rock band members' influence? I loved the Twitvid of Disappear and adore the track, but wished it had been more like the video than the actual album track. Honestly, the Lillywhite sessions being an extension of TOD are just as favorable to me as them being pure electornica. In fact, I am expecting them to be TOD's sound just evolved to include more electronic elements. Bear in mind I feel TOD is the classic Evanescence sound and honestly that's why I admire the Lillywhite sessions. There's nothing from what I've heard so far that will let me down about them and even Disappear as it is continues to be a great track that simply could have been better had Amy been permitted to do what she wanted with it. Also can someone tell me if she changed the Harp pieces for Secret Door from these: www.youtube.com/watch?v=2m3cf7tSjF8? Or is it the same and I'm hearing it wrong? And what is this from: www.youtube.com/watch?v=Omw721sWCmE? Thank you
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Post by AeternusAmatorius on Apr 9, 2013 23:30:20 GMT -5
^Because Amy writes with the piano. Anything that she writes on the piano is going to be toned down and sound like a ballad, even if it's not intended to be a ballad. Like Lithium. The chorus was originally written on an acoustic guitar when Amy was 16. When she was writing it for TOD she obviously wrote it on piano BUT she intended guitars to be added since on her handwritten lyrics pages she worte "(guitars come in here)".
No that TwitVid is what is in Secret Door. The second clip is just something she wrote in December or January after tour.
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Post by Titanic on Apr 9, 2013 23:33:43 GMT -5
^ Well the vocals are better on the Twitvid version than the album version too... Probably because they're softer. And does she normally exclude the piano completely from her songs? I wonder about the second song she plays on the harp in this video: www.youtube.com/watch?v=d77MdzBLe9gDo we know what these are? ^Because Amy writes with the piano. Anything that she writes on the piano is going to be toned down and sound like a ballad, even if it's not intended to be a ballad. Like Lithium. The chorus was originally written on an acoustic guitar when Amy was 16. When she was writing it for TOD she obviously wrote it on piano BUT she intended guitars to be added since on her handwritten lyrics pages she worte "(guitars come in here)". Well the vocals are better on the Twitvid version than the album version too... Probably because they're softer. And does she normally exclude the piano completely from her songs? I edited my earlier post to add 2 questions BTW. And I wonder about the second song she plays on the harp in this video: www.youtube.com/watch?v=d77MdzBLe9gDo we know what these are? Ohh I see. So the second video with the Fireplace was written AFTER the Ev3 tour? So it was not intended for Ev3? And what's the second song in the video I posted above? The one after the SD Harp peice?
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Post by AeternusAmatorius on Apr 9, 2013 23:38:14 GMT -5
^Because Amy writes with the piano. Anything that she writes on the piano is going to be toned down and sound like a ballad, even if it's not intended to be a ballad. Like Lithium. The chorus was originally written on an acoustic guitar when Amy was 16. When she was writing it for TOD she obviously wrote it on piano BUT she intended guitars to be added since on her handwritten lyrics pages she worte "(guitars come in here)". Well the vocals are better on the Twitvid version than the album version too... Probably because they're softer. And does she normally exclude the piano completely from her songs? I edited my earlier post to add 2 questions BTW. And I wonder about the second song she plays on the harp in this video: www.youtube.com/watch?v=d77MdzBLe9gDo we know what these are? I also edited my post to answer your questions. What are you talking about with the second song? Are you talking about at 0:31 in that video? That's just the video (secret Door) sped up. The stuff that Amy writes on the piano does she exclude? It probably depends on the song. Like WYW, it's melody/chorus was written on the piano. When she showed it to Terry, he liked it and played it on guitar, thus one of the guitar parts of WYW was born. I'm sure as the song grows in it's writing process, stuff gets added and cut. It's natural. The fireplace song was most likely written after Ev3 tour and probably not intended to be on the album. Also, Perfect Rainy Sunday and Disappear are in a different key.
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