DarkFlare89
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Post by DarkFlare89 on Oct 16, 2012 3:12:22 GMT -5
Evanescence EP Released on: December 1998 Released by: BigWig Enterprises Released amount: 100 copies Tracklist: 1. Where Will You Go? - (3:53) 2. Solitude - (5:44) 3. Imaginary - (4:00) 4. Exodus - (3:00) 5. So Close - (4:25) 6. Understanding - (7:21) 7. The End - (2:00) ---Outtakes and Extras--- 1. Give Unto Me (Piano-Vocal) - (5:46) 2. Me in You - (5:05) ( ??) (Unfinished) 3. The "Forbidden Song" (You Know The One) - (4:38) 4. My Immortal (Piano-Vocal) - (5:18) 5. October - (6:26) 6. Goodnight - (1:31) Listen to the ENTIRE EP: Some Things To Think About/Debate Over -The EvReference states: The cover features the sculpture Angel of Grief by William Wetmore Story, also found on the cover of Nightwish's Once and The Tea Party's The Edges Of Twilight. SOURCE-What the EvReference fails to further explain is that there are more than ONE staute across the world, so obviously Evanescence, Nightwish, The Tea Party, and Odes of Ecstasy (who used it for their album Embossed Dream in Four Acts) are likely to have been inspired by DIFFERENT versions of the Angel of Grief monument. As explained on the ev.it FAQ: Angel of Grief Monument
After the 1894 original by William Wetmore Story (1819-1895), in the Protestant Cemetery, Rome.
From her delicate wings and arms to the tendrils at the nape of her neck, the detail of this exclusive designer resin Victorian angel is amazing. Inspired by the monument American poet and sculptor William Wetmore Story did as homage to his wife Emelyn, our estate version has raised lettering with a message that will remind you to celebrate life.
The inscription reads: "The bud was spread to show the rose our Saviour smiled the bud was closed."
Some replicas of W. W. Story's "Angel of Grief," the original of which is located in the Protestant Cemetery in Rome, are located at Colma's Cypress Lawn Cemetery, on the Stanford University campus near the Stanford family mausoleum, commissioned by Jane Stanford from sculptor Antonio Bernieri as a tribute to her brother in 1901 and again in 1908 after the first one was destroyed in the 1906 earthquake.
Two other copies of the "Angel of Grief" statues are known to exist, one in Hengham, MA, Cemetery and the other at Metairie Cemetery, New Orleans, LA. They’re not the same, but VERY similar. If you look on the one for Once, the wreath doesn’t come full circle, there’s a gap in it up top. On the Evanescence EP, it goes all the way around. Also, the angels head is at a slightly different angle. That sort of design is fairly popular around the world" Okay, to clear up the matter finally: They're two different statues, just based on the same vague design. The Ev one is in a graveyard near Litte Rock, the NW one is a memorial monument in a graveyard about two miles outside of Helsinki. As far as the editing goes on them for the covers, all that's been done is they had the engraved writing changed on both and the contrast/levels. That's basically it. There's many pictures of other similar statues on DeviantArt too, if any of you want a 'clean' photo of one. Or just go to your local graveyard. There's at least one in the average-sized graveyard. There's two in Bath for example which are almost exactly the same. -Notice anything missing from the tracklist that you usually see there? That's right, the Understanding (Acoustic) was removed from the Outtakes. Why you might ask? Well, what purpose did it have there in the first place? No I'm serious here. We don't put Going Under (Acoustic) under the Fallen Outtakes. We don't put Lithium (Acoustic) under The Open Door Outtakes. So why should we make special accomodations for Understanding, when it is nothing more than a radio performance done in 1998? Do we really think Amy + Ben entertained the idea of putting a radio performance on the EP? Why, if the studio version was on there already? I can't see why people would ever list this as an EV EP Outtake, unless it just got mixed up with the folders when they were all released to us. I mean, one does have to wonder how in the world we got our hands on the song in general. -I wonder how they chose what songs were going to go on to this EP and which songs were not. I mean, did they really choose a cover (So Close) and neither their third (Give Unto Me) or their fourth (My Immortal) songs they wrote? I guess it would make the EP a bit ballad heavy if they did that, so maybe So Close was put in for variety? If Me in You was ever finished, I could have seen that go on the EP, even though it seems to be more of a religious song like October (not that there is anything wrong with that mind you). -According to the Exodus Discography, this is called the Evanescence EP. According to the PerfectRips on EvReference, ripped by the same person who wrote the discography, this is called the Solitude EP. According to random, dubious strangers on E-Bay, this is called the Exodus EP. The first two are more likely to be legitimate than the last one. -Two things recently uncovered: (1) According to posts from the Google Groups (see last page of this topic), this EP was originally going to be called the Origin EP. That name would later be used for their demo album 'Origin.' (2) According to posts from the Google Groups (see last page of this topic), 'Goodnight' was played on the radio at the time they were releasing the EV EP and thus proving my original theory about 'Goodnight' being a SA EP Outtake false. I have re-added 'Goodnight' as an outtake of the EV EP. -Yes, yes there is an elephant in the room and I shall address it once in detail once I speak to the MODS/ADMINS about a possible discussion on the topic (but that is after I finish exporting my posts from ev.it v3.5 to here.) Nevertheless, if you are confused as to why the "Forbidden Song" is listed as an Ev EP Outtake, there is some evidence from my research to show that the song is a contemporary of the songs on the EP, not (as previously believed) the 2001 - 2002 Demos. This also involves doing a lot of timeline between Amy and Ben to correspond to what the song is actually saying, but since we can't speak about the song in specifics, I'm going to leave it at that for now. Maybe in the future . . . THANKS to Magicalcutzi for the videos!
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Post by mydnyghtamethyst on Oct 30, 2012 15:18:03 GMT -5
I don't think you should have *title removed* listed as an outtake It was never intended to be heard. Not by fans and not by music agents, etc.
It's not listed on Amy's repertoire on BMI.com. We are supposed to ignore it's existence, therefore it should be removed.
*Thanks for the suggestion, and as it is now referred to as "the forbidden song" in the first post, let's only refer to it as that, or never talk about it.* -Double A
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DarkFlare89
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Post by DarkFlare89 on Oct 30, 2012 22:52:39 GMT -5
It's not listed on Amy's repertoire on BMI.com. We are supposed to ignore it's existence, therefore it should be removed. Since this isn't the topic we are suppose to discuss this in (I haven't gotten around to discussing with the MODS/ADMINS about my ideas for such a topic yet), I'll make only one point about this and that will be it. The quoted above makes (more or less) the following logical argument (If 1, then 2; 1; Therefore 2): [1] If an Evanescence song is not on BMI.com, then it is forbidden. [2]The "Forbidden Song" is not on BMI.com. [3] Therefore, it is forbidden. Alternative Model: [1] If an Amy Lee song is not on BMI.com, then it is forbidden. [2]The "Forbidden Song" is not on BMI.com. [3] Therefore, it is forbidden. Alternative Model #2: [1] If a Ben Moody song is not on BMI.com, then it is forbidden. [2]The "Forbidden Song" is not on BMI.com. [3] Therefore, it is forbidden. The above argument (and its two variations) make the following two logical fallacies: The Cherry Picking Fallacy and The Overwhelming Exception Fallacy. Therefore, my Rebuttal: [1] The songs: Surrender, Understanding, Ascension of the Spirit, Give Unto Me, The End, So Close, October, Forgive Me are not on BMI.com [2]The songs: Surrender, Understanding, Ascension of the Spirit, Give Unto Me, The End, So Close, October, Forgive Me are still considered "Evanescence" songs, despite not being on BMI.com. [3] Therefore, BMI.com cannot be used as an identifier of a song's legitimacy in the "Evanescence" canon. Alternative Rebuttal: [1] The songs: Listen to the Rain and Goodnight are not on BMI.com [2] The songs: Listen to the Rain and Goodnight are still considered "Amy Lee" songs, despite not being on BMI.com. [3] Therefore, BMI.com cannot be used as an identifier of a song's legitimacy in the "Amy Lee" canon. Alternative Rebuttal Part 2: [1] None of Ben Moody's solo songs (including The Blitzkrieg Theme) are on BMI.com. [2]All of Ben Moody's solo songs (including The Blitzkrieg Theme) are still considered "Ben Moody" songs, despite not being on BMI.com. [3] Therefore, BMI.com cannot be used as an identifier of a song's legitimacy in the "Ben Moody" canon. As I said, more of this will be discussed once the appropriate thread is given clearance by the MODS/ADMINS. In the mean time, let us stick to the Evanescence EP in this topic, since that is what this topic is suppose to be about.
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Post by AeternusAmatorius on Oct 31, 2012 12:04:02 GMT -5
Guys, as one of the moderators of this board, I have to ask you to refrain from talking about You because it is in the rules. Even though I may not agree with some rules, I still have to follow them, as does everyone else.
To make this clear, just because a song is NOT on Amy's or Ev's BMI.com page, does not mean it is forbidden. The only song we are not allowed to talk about is You. Yes, Forgive Me is another personal song (as per Ben Moody *thank you DarkFlare for the info*) it is NOT a forbidden song because the band/Ben/Amy have not asked us to refrain from discussing it.
So please, can we CLOSE to topic of You, and not discuss it publicly on the board? If you would like to talk about it, please use PM.
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Post by FaixaFive on Nov 3, 2012 16:56:10 GMT -5
I just want to add on that its not Released by BigWig. Ben made them himself. theyre just distributed by BigWig + ill give you high scans of it soon you can update with
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Post by Open The Door on Jan 15, 2013 17:36:48 GMT -5
What is wrong with the text on the CD? Why are there weird spaces in the text? I've always wondered that.
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Post by FaixaFive on Jan 15, 2013 18:14:59 GMT -5
What is wrong with the text on the CD? Why are there weird spaces in the text? I've always wondered that. The text is just that way. I dont know if theres a spesific reason for it. The only thing i find funny with it is that the only spaces are between the 'e'. So im thinking that the spaces is to refer the 'e's as 'e'vanescence. Ill "investigate" and update the info if i find out about it
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Post by DarkFlare89 on Jan 19, 2013 18:19:48 GMT -5
I'm not as music savvy as most people - so this is my question. What does "kbps" actually mean? Does that mean how HQ a song is in terms of sound? So does this mean that "Understanding" is the clearest/best/most HQ out of all of the songs on the EP? I just find it funny because most people complain about "So Close" being so LQ-sounding, but according to the numbers it is the second highest! And "Exodus," of all the songs, is the lowest! Now, this might be me completely mis-understanding what "kbps" really mean, so let me stop myself from continuing and await your answer.
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Post by Himmelslicht on Jan 19, 2013 19:25:24 GMT -5
I'm not as music savvy as most people - so this is my question. What does "kbps" actually mean? Does that mean how HQ a song is in terms of sound? So does this mean that "Understanding" is the clearest/best/most HQ out of all of the songs on the EP? I just find it funny because most people complain about "So Close" being so LQ-sounding, but according to the numbers it is the second highest! And "Exodus," of all the songs, is the lowest! Now, this might be me completely mis-understanding what "kbps" really mean, so let me stop myself from continuing and await your answer. I think it refers to the quality of the sound. The more compressed it is on computer, the lower will be the quality. Just like a JPEG image. If you download it, open and save it again, it will be compressed again and thus, lose its quality. I think the same happens with music. It's usually compressed to fit on the device and still be able to be listened. I don't know if that was your question. I hope I helped.
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Post by FaixaFive on Jan 19, 2013 19:34:20 GMT -5
I'm not as music savvy as most people - so this is my question. What does "kbps" actually mean? Does that mean how HQ a song is in terms of sound? So does this mean that "Understanding" is the clearest/best/most HQ out of all of the songs on the EP? I just find it funny because most people complain about "So Close" being so LQ-sounding, but according to the numbers it is the second highest! And "Exodus," of all the songs, is the lowest! Now, this might be me completely mis-understanding what "kbps" really mean, so let me stop myself from continuing and await your answer. kbps is indeed the quality. As you can see the ones you can download on EvRef is in much more poor quality than the EP itself has. People probably complain because they have the EvRef download. They are in much worse quality. The only way for me to explain it is that the EvRef download sounds more.. "compact sounding".
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Post by DarkFlare89 on Jan 19, 2013 23:22:15 GMT -5
I'm not as music savvy as most people - so this is my question. What does "kbps" actually mean? Does that mean how HQ a song is in terms of sound? So does this mean that "Understanding" is the clearest/best/most HQ out of all of the songs on the EP? I just find it funny because most people complain about "So Close" being so LQ-sounding, but according to the numbers it is the second highest! And "Exodus," of all the songs, is the lowest! Now, this might be me completely mis-understanding what "kbps" really mean, so let me stop myself from continuing and await your answer. I think it refers to the quality of the sound. The more compressed it is on computer, the lower will be the quality. Just like a JPEG image. If you download it, open and save it again, it will be compressed again and thus, lose its quality. I think the same happens with music. It's usually compressed to fit on the device and still be able to be listened. I don't know if that was your question. I hope I helped. Ah ha, so it DOES have to do with the quality of the song on the EP. Wow, that's super interesting! So the lowest-quality songs on the EP are Exodus, WWYG, The End (from worst to better quality) and the highest-quality songs on the EP are Understanding, So Close, Solitude (from best to worsening quality). Imaginary, is right down the middle between the best and worst. Who would have thought! People probably complain because they have the EvRef download. They are in much worse quality. The only way for me to explain it is that the EvRef download sounds more.. "compact sounding". Ah, maybe that's it. Yet again, the new MP3's are suppose to be from the so-called "Perfect Rip" from Sid's copies. *shrug* Eh people hear what they want to hear. So . . . someone should do a similar analysis of Origin next (since no one here has a Mystary or Sound Asleep EP I reckon?), since this kbps thing is really interesting. Ultimately, don't most songs, when ripped from a CD, become compacted anyways? Depending on how high the settings are on your ripper, isn't the highest 320 kbps for MP3's?
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Post by FaixaFive on Jan 19, 2013 23:45:31 GMT -5
It depends on how you rip them. I ripped the EP in the same quality they were saved on the CD-R. I don't think anyone here has the other EP's. Joanna (Lycrymosa) has Origin, so hit her up. Maybe she can help you
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Post by Lycrymosa on Jan 19, 2013 23:58:21 GMT -5
I can help with Origin if someone can tell me how to rip the songs from the CD in the highest quality
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Post by goldanddamp on Jan 20, 2013 0:35:58 GMT -5
Thanks for the info!
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Post by AeternusAmatorius on Jan 20, 2013 1:53:56 GMT -5
I'm not as music savvy as most people - so this is my question. What does "kbps" actually mean? Does that mean how HQ a song is in terms of sound? So does this mean that "Understanding" is the clearest/best/most HQ out of all of the songs on the EP? I just find it funny because most people complain about "So Close" being so LQ-sounding, but according to the numbers it is the second highest! And "Exodus," of all the songs, is the lowest! Now, this might be me completely mis-understanding what "kbps" really mean, so let me stop myself from continuing and await your answer. kbps is indeed the quality. As you can see the ones you can download on EvRef is in much more poor quality than the EP itself has. People probably complain because they have the EvRef download. They are in much worse quality. The only way for me to explain it is that the EvRef download sounds more.. "compact sounding". I don't understand how EvRef's .flac files for the EP are in much lower quality as they were ripped directly form the disc.
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