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Post by Thomas on Nov 1, 2012 14:29:28 GMT -5
Amy herself posted on the old ET about it, I just wanted to know if there was more info about it. HAHA. This Rock am Ring intro is AMAZING, I loved the electro beats, it's the Fallen trademark.
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Post by blueberry on Nov 1, 2012 15:18:00 GMT -5
Ah. Yeah. Sorry. Nothing new to tell. But if I hear of any new rumors I'll post them here. ...And yes, but I think the intro is still distinctive from Fallen. yet reminiscent.
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Post by FallenEvArmy on Nov 1, 2012 15:39:34 GMT -5
I don't know if that's an official title or not, but I know in an interview Amy said it was sort of like a prayer, calling the old music back to her. "Lost whispers, awaken within me and fly..." Other than that, I don't think theres anything else behind it. Indeed, I'm weary about the intros only because, well . . . remember that Fallen Intro in 2003? (i.e. the beginning of THIS). That was never given a name either, and it opened most of Fallen's 2003 sets. I don't seem to remember if the TOD era had any (other than an extended Lose Control intro, but that's no different to Haunted's 2004 extended intro, or the one they are giving What You Want now and days). I kinda thought that, what the fans call "Lost Whispers," was just going to be the intro to that era (of Lillywhite Songs), like they did with Fallen 2003. But since those got axed, the intro isn't played anymore. I don't (personally) think the intro was ever recorded officially (since Ev doesn't seem to do instrumentals anymore ), but anything is, afterall, possible. That intro just seems to be a mixture of the songs on Fallen, one member says they hear Hello and part of it was definitely Whisper. I think it's like a little album remix preview sort of thing. Whereas Lost Whispers is completely new.
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Post by AeternusAmatorius on Nov 1, 2012 16:18:41 GMT -5
Thanks for the links you guys! I think he's mistaking that for Never Go Back, since he said that it was "on the record". You know, I was thinking that. Especially since, by the time WYW was being played on MTV for the first time, the band was still calling the song "Orange," so perhaps he forgot what the song was called/was getting use to what the song was called and accidently called it that? It did cross my mind . . . especially since Never Go Back is, after all, super heavy While that could be a possibility, I doubt it though. In the premiere interview thing after WYW live on MTV recall that James was asking about the working titles and mentioned "Orange". Amy said she named it and the guys got all surprised and asked her what it was and she said "Never Go Back" and she tapped Terry on the shoulder/arm and said "I told you that." When was the "Never Again" article posted to that website?NVM November 2011, and the WYW MTV thing was in September right? www.drummagazine.com/features/post/how-will-hunt-survived-after-losing-everything/
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Post by DarkFlare89 on Nov 2, 2012 1:50:51 GMT -5
Amy herself posted on the old ET about it, I just wanted to know if there was more info about it. HAHA. Ooh, I didn't know about this! Did anyone save the quote? Or do I have to go hunting through Google Cache to find it on EvThreads v1 (and I am so not kidding, I've done it before and it is not a pretty sight. I wonder if Wayback Machine archived EvThreads v1 at all . . . ) While that could be a possibility, I doubt it though. In the premiere interview thing after WYW live on MTV recall that James was asking about the working titles and mentioned "Orange". Amy said she named it and the guys got all surprised and asked her what it was and she said "Never Go Back" and she tapped Terry on the shoulder/arm and said "I told you that." When was the "Never Again" article posted to that website?NVM November 2011, and the WYW MTV thing was in September right? www.drummagazine.com/features/post/how-will-hunt-survived-after-losing-everything/Hm, that leaves two months for him to remember what the song is called. Do we have any indication from Sept 2011 to early Nov 2011 (i.e. in an interview or something) where he is on record saying "Never Go Back" without any prompting from Amy/the rest of the band? Don't they usually say that (as an answer) for their favorite song on the album? If we can get an October or November interview where he specifically says "Never Go Back" without prompting, then that would eliminate the idea that he got confused with the new title in his November interview.
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Post by AeternusAmatorius on Nov 2, 2012 12:14:29 GMT -5
Amy herself posted on the old ET about it, I just wanted to know if there was more info about it. HAHA. This Rock am Ring intro is AMAZING, I loved the electro beats, it's the Fallen trademark. Information about the 2009 intro originated on evanescencewebsite.
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Post by Thomas on Nov 2, 2012 18:03:55 GMT -5
Amy herself posted on the old ET about it, I just wanted to know if there was more info about it. HAHA. This Rock am Ring intro is AMAZING, I loved the electro beats, it's the Fallen trademark. Information about the 2009 intro originated on evanescencewebsite. I'm 100% sure Amy posted about it on the old ET, I have the portugue translation of her post, but I can't find the english one. Btw, we could made a database for her posts, couldn't we? It's gonna be hard to recover these posts.
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Post by X on Nov 2, 2012 18:49:11 GMT -5
Yeah, Amy made a post about the intro on the Secret Show thread (as far as I can remember). She said it was a half finished song she and Terry wrote and they weren't sure whether they're going to finish it at all or not.
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Post by DarkFlare89 on Nov 3, 2012 13:36:21 GMT -5
Okay so good news and bad news. The bad news is that it seems as if Google Cache has eliminated all of the EvThreads cache (or at least, isn't letting me access them). And Wayback Machine isn't letting me do anything because it defaults to FaceBook's robots.txt file which prevents archiving in the first place. ARG! The good news is that I saw your Portuguese post on your website Thomas, and then I did a Google Translate of that, and then I searched key words in that (because I figured whatever Amy posts usually gets re-posted everywhere and anywhere) and . . . I found that DeMarzi posted about it on EvBoard. ;D The words I was singing in the intro were: Lost whispers awaken within me and fly...
Kind of like a prayer to reconnect to the old music, my old self. Calling it all back to me. I'm glad we were able to use at least just a minute of new music. Terry and I wrote that a few months ago and its been in the "half done" bin for awhile. I think it turned into a beautiful intro.
-Amy SOURCESo what I get from this is that this was a half-finished ditty of a song that they converted into an intro. Now, since they don't seem to be playing it anymore, I once again believe that it was going to be the intro that embodies the Lillywhite Era, like the Fallen 2003 intro. Indeed, like you guys say, it is both a preview of, distinctive of, and a trademark of Fallen as an album. Perhaps this intro would have embodied the same with the Lillywhite Era? Eh, more speculation on my part As a side note, did anyone copy down Lillywhite's response on Twitter to that EvFan that asked him if he owned the copyright to the Lillywhite Songs? There seems to be some sort of misunderstanding here, because everytime someone asks Amy to release the Lillywhite stuff, she says something along the lines of she doesn't own the rights to those songs (or something) and then someone asked Steve if he will release the songs and he said (on Twitter) that Amy and the label own the rights to those songs. So it becomes a back-and-forth game here, are these songs ultimately owned by Wind-Up and neither Amy or Steve? Is that why there is confusion here?
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Post by X on Nov 3, 2012 17:44:25 GMT -5
^It really depends on the contract that the band had with the label. The band (songwriters) have intellectual property rights but since they are signed to a label, the label's copyright power is much more extensive than theirs and will usually have the final say. Also, considering they were already recording the album when the album was shelved, their situation is much more complicated. Wind Up paid for their studio time so they own the sound recordings and mostly likely, they are the only one who can release those demos or the mastered songs. So if Amy released those songs without Wind Up's permission, she could be in big legal trouble.
Again, depending on the contract that they made, even if the band moved to a different label they probably still won't be able to release or re-record those songs from the Lillywhite Session. They could terminate their contract and buy it off but there is probably a catch to that, especially if their contract contains a "Re-recording Restrictions", meaning they are prohibited to re-record the music for a period of years after their contract is terminated or expired. etc.
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Post by Thomas on Nov 9, 2012 6:40:21 GMT -5
Once he said it's not up to him to release it, but he loved the songs though, and it's up to whether the band or label to decide if they want to put it out. When I interviewed Amy, she said they "can't legally use anything we recorded in that session with Steve. The songs are ours so we can rerecord whatever when we are ready."
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2012 10:07:06 GMT -5
Once he said it's not up to him to release it, but he loved the songs though, and it's up to whether the band or label to decide if they want to put it out. When I interviewed Amy, she said they "can't legally use anything we recorded in that session with Steve. The songs are ours so we can rerecord whatever when we are ready." This really doesn't surprise me. Although, I don't see why the label couldn't allow at least a few of the Lilywhite things to be used as a B-side or something. I guess it's a precautionary thing? I don't know. In my eyes, it doesn't make sense. It wouldn't hurt anything.
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Post by Thomas on Nov 9, 2012 15:05:15 GMT -5
Once he said it's not up to him to release it, but he loved the songs though, and it's up to whether the band or label to decide if they want to put it out. When I interviewed Amy, she said they "can't legally use anything we recorded in that session with Steve. The songs are ours so we can rerecord whatever when we are ready." This really doesn't surprise me. Although, I don't see why the label couldn't allow at least a few of the Lilywhite things to be used as a B-side or something. I guess it's a precautionary thing? I don't know. In my eyes, it doesn't make sense. It wouldn't hurt anything. Agree!
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Post by DarkFlare89 on Nov 16, 2012 3:39:01 GMT -5
Once he said it's not up to him to release it, but he loved the songs though, and it's up to whether the band or label to decide if they want to put it out. When I interviewed Amy, she said they "can't legally use anything we recorded in that session with Steve. The songs are ours so we can rerecord whatever when we are ready." Ah! Thank you for this! Hmm, this one is interesting too: . This tweet (the response to the question) made no sense though, since IYDM is an Open Door song, not a Lillywhite song (unless . . . they were planning on remaking it for the Ev LP! Perish the thought! What's the world coming to?) Hmm, so the Lillywhite Songs are another thing Wind-Up is keeping from us! It is going to be really interesting once Ev and Wind-Up part ways. I'm half-expecting Wind-Up to start cranking out unreleased stuff (in order to make $) on compilation CDs once the split happens (like Drakkar did with Nightwish and Transmission did with After Forever).
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Post by AeternusAmatorius on Nov 17, 2012 19:44:41 GMT -5
That response doesn't make any sense because IYDM was for TOD and Your Love was something Amy wrote and recorded independently... right?
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