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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2013 22:39:50 GMT -5
@theriseandthefall: I edited the list to say: I have the "It Was All A Lie" separate from Lies, under the bootleg color, and explained as to what it is. I also put "Lies (remix)" on the list under the bootleg color as well since many bootleggers refer to the Post Origin demo as a remix. So what is the appropriate title for the authentic/real demo version of Lies? Is it Lies (Remake) or Lies (Post Origin Demo)? It's still confusing me.
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Post by AeternusAmatorius on May 25, 2013 23:36:36 GMT -5
Lies (Post-Origin Demo). It is titled this way in the "Official" part of the first post in this thread with notes on why it is referred to this way. .
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Post by DarkFlare89 on May 26, 2013 18:57:28 GMT -5
@theriseandthefall: I edited the list to say: I have the "It Was All A Lie" separate from Lies, under the bootleg color, and explained as to what it is. I also put "Lies (remix)" on the list under the bootleg color as well since many bootleggers refer to the Post Origin demo as a remix. So what is the appropriate title for the authentic/real demo version of Lies? Is it Lies (Remake) or Lies (Post Origin Demo)? It's still confusing me. Think about it. The point of putting labels on songs is so that it is easier to identify which song they are. The Post-Origin Demos of Lies, Whisper, and the two Imaginaries are literally the 2001 - 2002 Demos, since they are literally post the release of Origin. It is a bit of an older title, since these labels were before the release of Fallen (technically all the Fallen versions are post-Origin too, but I digress ). We call it the Lies (Post-Origin Demo) to differentiate it from the Lies that was on Origin. It doesn't even make sense to call it Lies (Remix) because that implies that the Origin version was remixed and, by listening to the Post-Origin demo, we can tell it certainly is no remix of Lies (Origin). We also don't call it Lies (Remix) because the band says it would be incorrect to do so - or at least, they supposedly did so on EvBoard; we are still looking into that. Lies (Remake) is a bit better, but so what that Lies was remade? So was Whisper and Imaginary . . . multiple times! We don't call any of their versions "remakes." Lies (Alternative Version) never stuck on, but I did have one instance of it in my notes. So that is why we prefer to call it the Post-Origin Demo of Lies. In theory, under a list of "2001 - 2002 Demos" we wouldn't even need a label, since duh if it is under that list then it is the demo version, not the Origin version. But you know how confusing these things can be. We are also trying to get into the habit of calling Whisper 2002, the Whisper (Post-Origin Demo), as it once was before. I tend to leave the label (Post-Origin Demo) off of Imaginary, since usually people get what Imaginary (v1) and Imaginary (v2) are referring to.
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Post by AeternusAmatorius on May 26, 2013 21:33:07 GMT -5
So what is the appropriate title for the authentic/real demo version of Lies? Is it Lies (Remake) or Lies (Post Origin Demo)? It's still confusing me. We call it the Lies (Post-Origin Demo) to differentiate it from the Lies that was on Origin. It doesn't even make sense to call it Lies (Remix) because that implies that the Origin version was remixed and, by listening to the Post-Origin demo, we can tell it certainly is no remix of Lies (Origin). We also don't call it Lies (Remix) because the band says it would be incorrect to do so - or at least, they supposedly did so on EvBoard; we are still looking into that. Lies (Remake) is a bit better, but so what that Lies was remade? So was Whisper and Imaginary . . . multiple times! We don't call any of their versions "remakes." Lies (Alternative Version) never stuck on, but I did have one instance of it in my notes. I swear that Amy posted on EvBoard about the Lies (Post-Origin Demo). People were calling it Lies (Remake), Lies (Remix), Lies (Alternate Version), etc. . . and Amy stepped in and said that she would prefer that fans call it Lies (Post-Origin Demo) because it was neither a remix nor a remake. I swear Amy posted it! I can see (in my memory) the post and what she typed there. I remember this because I remember saying to myself "That makes sense. Saying it was a 'Remix' and 'Remake' didn't fit the song." Why did that crash have to happen?
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Post by lostindarkparadise on May 29, 2013 14:46:19 GMT -5
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Post by AeternusAmatorius on May 29, 2013 15:59:30 GMT -5
Yes. It would be considered a rumored track. Ill update the list as soon as I can get to a computer I am on my phone right now. Thank you for the find.
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Post by DarkFlare89 on May 29, 2013 16:24:50 GMT -5
Yes. It would be considered a rumored track. Ill update the list as soon as I can get to a computer I am on my phone right now. Thank you for the find. I dunno, I'm weary of adding this to the Rumor Mill. The original source doesn't even work anymore! Furthermore, according to the entry, we are basing this off of a Wikipedia article. That's no different that the Ecotone scenario, or when If You Don't Mind was "supposed" to be on the SS single. Or when Together Again was "suppose" to be on the GE single. Wasn't all of that listed on the Wikipedia pages too? Wikipedia pages that anyone can edit? People make up track listings and put them on Wikipedia so they can seem legit all the time. If we consider this a rumor song, we'd have to consider every made-up title song ever in Ev's history: Prisoner for a Long Day (also first found on Wikipedia), Risen, Alone, Into the Deep and so forth. The beginning to that Silent Hill song that was suppose to be of If You Don't Mind, wasn't that also found on Wikipedia? I mean, don't get me wrong, we have a lot of rumor songs that are exceptionally unlikely that they exist, but at least for those we have quotes about people (as delusionary as they may be) talking about said songs. Furthermore, although it is unlikely, it is not impossible that there are other rarer and stranger versions of the songs that we have already, out there. Making of Fallen proves as much. But, out of the blue, for us to get a name of a "new" song I'd think is the most unlikely you can get. I'm going to have to look away on this one. :/
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Post by lostindarkparadise on May 30, 2013 16:27:09 GMT -5
I can't find the interview, but remember the interview where Amy recited the lyrics from All That I'm Living For, and they were different from what it is on the album? The notes say it might be lyrics of an earlier version of she messed up, but I can't seem to get to the interview. Do you think there's a chance of there being a demo? www.evanescencereference.info/wiki/index.php?title=All_That_I%27m_Living_For
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Post by AeternusAmatorius on May 30, 2013 21:52:35 GMT -5
The only reason why I considered adding Through Her Eyes to the rumor list is because I remember hearing/reading about this title. I'm not sure from where but I do remember hearing/reading about it.
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Post by Ring on May 31, 2013 9:11:00 GMT -5
Release the Kraken - Possible working title for Disappear Worm Baby gave me the source for this working title ( here). Also, I noticed that Whisper (Post-Sound Asleep Demo) is missing from your list.
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Post by AeternusAmatorius on May 31, 2013 20:06:03 GMT -5
Thanks. What is the Post Sound Asleep Demo? Do you have a link to it?
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Post by Ring on May 31, 2013 22:13:42 GMT -5
Thanks. What is the Post Sound Asleep Demo? Do you have a link to it? The Post Sound Asleep Demo (this is what DarkFlare calls it) is like the We The Living version (it doesn't have the reverse intro) but it doesn't have the extended drum outro. People call it "Whisper (Demo 1)" alot. ^Here is the Post Sound Asleep Version. ^And here is the We The Living Version.
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Post by AeternusAmatorius on Jun 1, 2013 11:33:05 GMT -5
I have both of those versions on my list. Please read the W section. Preferably this part: Though I'll look more into this later. I thought I already had but I'll do it again. EDIT:Ring: I'm working on the versions of Whisper now. Also, I'm letting you know that I will keep "Release the Kraken" as "Possible working title for Disappear". For this reason: When I added it to the list (on the old EvThreads), there was a debate whether Amy and the guys were joking and just saying "Release the kraken!" or if it was an actual working title before "Kraken" was. We know "Kraken" to be confirmed as we heard the band, especially Will ("Is that one 'Kraken'?"), refer to it as "Kraken" before. However, I do appreciate your hard work in helping me stay in line with all these songs and versions! Guys, I have made a .doc of the versions of Whisper that I will be converting into a .pdf file. I have done the same for My Heart Is Broken and I will do the same for My Immortal and Imaginary. I'll probably do the same for other songs with multiple versions as well but since the other songs do not have many versions (as the songs stated above do) they will most likely be in one document. If anyone would like a copy of these when I am done, PM me or leave a post here. actually a double update.
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Post by Ring on Jun 10, 2013 3:01:24 GMT -5
What is this "My Heart is Broken (Alternate Intro)" version? Are you talking about that fan-made one? And I thought the Alternate Mix and the version in the video are the same.
As for Release the Kraken, I dunno, Amy says "Release the Kraken is the original" in a way that sounds non joke-ey to me. And then when Amy said they were on the cliffs in California and they were wondering what they were going to call the next song, and Tim says Release the Kraken. I don't they joked about that title.
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Post by AeternusAmatorius on Jun 10, 2013 12:31:47 GMT -5
What is this "My Heart is Broken (Alternate Intro)" version? Are you talking about that fan-made one? And I thought the Alternate Mix and the version in the video are the same. As for Release the Kraken, I dunno, Amy says "Release the Kraken is the original" in a way that sounds non joke-ey to me. And then when Amy said they were on the cliffs in California and they were wondering what they were going to call the next song, and Tim says Release the Kraken. I don't they joked about that title. Well there was still a debate over whether it was "Release the Kraken", "Kraken" or both, so I wanted to keep in on the list that way so there was/is no more argument over it. I know what Amy and the guys said but other people just think they said "Kraken" and the "Release the kraken" stuff was a joke. Keep everyone happy right? But since you actually agree with me that it's not a joke, I will change it and make a transcript of what they said. And no. Here are the differences I have noted.
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