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Post by mydnyghtamethyst on Mar 20, 2014 21:13:42 GMT -5
This is so great. Seems like the news always comes up when I am gone though. I'm hoping Amy is hinting at dropping something soon. A 4 or 5 track EP would be awesome, but even one song would be great too. She probably can't do it too soon, or the label might think that those songs were done while she was still with them Sorry, I'm not exactly sure how labels work, or what the stipulations of the contract were. But does that mean everything she wrote automatically became property of Wind-Up? Even if it was something she just randomly wrote one afternoon, whether she had intentions of putting it out or not?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2014 22:04:15 GMT -5
If she spent label money, then yes. If the laptop was given to her by the label for work purposes, then, yes. If she used her own equipment, no. If she brought it to a producer whose time they had to pay for, then yes.
Also, if the label had a quota of songs that she needed to write and she hadn't fulfilled it, then they own all the songs up until she meets their quota.
But of course, it seems they went to court because WindUp had a breach in their contract. If that is the case, then she no longer has to fulfill any of her obligations with them.
It's basically one gigantic gambling business. We'll give you a loan (which is the record deal) because we think your material has what it takes to give us good returns. To a record label, the artist is an investment. And because they are fronting all the money, they have the final say in what's going to happen to something.
Sometimes, they will shelf an album because they don't think it has the potential to sell a lot, and that it would cost more to distribute and promote it than to just suck up the loss of the costs of recording it in the first place.
There are so many unknown factors that a lot of this is speculation anyway. And we may never know the whole story, especially if she is given a "mum" order.
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Post by AeternusAmatorius on Mar 20, 2014 23:24:53 GMT -5
I don't want to seem like a know-it-all as I don't know how these record labels and stuff work, but I believe I have a somewhat good understanding about this from talking to a few other people. ausfan87: Yes, Amy did say she has free reign over what she does and stuff - writing wise, but there are a few things we need to consider: 1) "In addition to the catalog, the deal includes rights to new studio albums by certain of these artists." So, being that "new studio albums" are master recordings and if Evanescence is one of these artists mentioned above, then anything released under "Evanescence" will go through Bicycle/Concord for distribution. 2) If Amy decides to release stuff independently from Evanescence, through YouTube, iTunes, Rhapsody, etc...; then she will have to go through her own channels and the associated channels to release her stuff so she gets the rights, royalties, and whatever else she's due. 3) We have no idea what the terms and conditions of the agreement with Concord/Bicycle are. So it's just speculation based off of the Press Release and other people's understanding. FallenEvArmy: To my understanding, just because their deal with Wind-Up has ended, doesn't mean their deal with Concord/Bicycle has ended. Then again, we have no idea what the terms and conditions of the agreement with Concord/Bicycle are. The press release says Bicycle and Concord have "rights to new studios albums by certain of these artists". So if Ev is included in that, then Bicycle/Concord has those distribution rights to future Evanescence stuff. I agree with this. PJ.: I just think that Amy isn't under any label and that's what she meant. But Evanescence is under Bicycle/Concord for distribution rights. @starkeeper: You're welcome. The Lillywhite sessions are the 2009 demos/2010 recording sessions with Steve Lillywhite. They were the more electronic music (Portishead, MGMT I think, Depeche Mode etc...) influenced songs. The third album was supposed to be released in September 2010, I think. These are the 2009/2010 sessions songs. 1:38am, Stompin' Steve (Perfect Dream), Another Piece Of The Puzzle. Wind-Up no longer has the rights to Ev's master recordings since they sold distribution rights of Ev's master recordings to Bicycle/Concord back in October 2013. At least, that's my understanding. Thomas: I think you may be right. According to this tweet, they were going into the studio. They went into the studio February 22, 2010. So they obviously wouldn't go into the studio without demos already made. They were working on the songs in the studio (obviously, lol) and probably on their way to mastering them but maybe not at that stage yet. Steve did say they made " an album's worth of songs... maybe 12"... And in these series of tweets are the tweets announcing the second time in the studio. So a little more than a year later they were back in the studio... Titanic: Probably not. The legal issues are probably with the royalties and who gets them. Steve would have to be paid, as well as Amy, Tim, Terry, Will "Science" Hunt, QuestLove, the harp tech, etc... so that's probably what Amy was talking about. Then again, who knows? Amy's publicist or manager probably told her not to say too much about that stuff.
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Post by rionka on Mar 21, 2014 17:09:19 GMT -5
Is Andrew Lurie still the Amy's manager? Is he interconnected to Wind-Up somehow or it's someone she has "independently" too? I think she said something like they spent more money than their income during the last tour. Amy had loads of people there of course, including Beth, Mike Hiratzka, his girlfriend Mitzi, and a group of techs to make their stage and lights. It wasn't really a small circus last time. It requires a large investment to go out and play, even on their own continent... This is the main thing that I fear about Ev.
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Post by AeternusAmatorius on Mar 21, 2014 19:20:09 GMT -5
Is Andrew Lurie still the Amy's manager? Is he interconnected to Wind-Up somehow or it's someone she has "independently" too? I think she said something like they spent more money than their income during the last tour. Amy had loads of people there of course, including Beth, Mike Hiratzka, his girlfriend Mitzi, and a group of techs to make their stage and lights. It wasn't really a small circus last time. It requires a large investment to go out and play, even on their own continent... This is the main thing that I fear about Ev. I'm unsure how to answer this one. I would assume that Andrew Lurie could still be Amy's manager being that he's under 110 Management but I'm not sure if 110 Management is only for Wind-Up artists or what. EDIT: When you go to the 110 Management website, it says Amy Lee and Evanescence.
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Post by rionka on Mar 23, 2014 9:29:23 GMT -5
Well, this is interesting. And logical. Ok, thank you!
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Post by WhisperedDreams on Mar 23, 2014 14:32:41 GMT -5
The one thing I wonder now is how Amy plans to make an income if she's no longer being paid by the label. Even bands I'm into that seem to have a nice size fanbase have had to turn to things like Kickstarter, or PledgeMusic to get albums, or live DVDs funded for release, or even to raise money for a full tour. I think Evanescence has a larger fanbase than some of these bands I'm thinking of, but, they are not as popular now as they were 10 years ago. Then again, I wouldn't complain if Amy did a program like that. Imagine how many of us would jump on some amazing, unique perks?
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Post by AeternusAmatorius on Mar 23, 2014 15:49:09 GMT -5
The one thing I wonder now is how Amy plans to make an income if she's no longer being paid by the label. Even bands I'm into that seem to have a nice size fanbase have had to turn to things like Kickstarter, or PledgeMusic to get albums, or live DVDs funded for release, or even to raise money for a full tour. I think Evanescence has a larger fanbase than some of these bands I'm thinking of, but, they are not as popular now as they were 10 years ago. Then again, I wouldn't complain if Amy did a program like that. Imagine how many of us would jump on some amazing, unique perks? Well for Evanescence, Bicycle/Concord have distribution rights. If Ev is one of those bands that Bicycle/Concord have distribution rights to future master recordings, then Ev is set for their new stuff being released and distributed. As for touring and stuff, maybe the band will decide where they go and where they can afford. There's also the possibility that the band will sign a contract with Bicycle/Concord (since concord has their own labels), or another label, with a stipulation that Ev has creative freedom and if they want to release something, they can; and that solo Amy has nothing to do with Ev Amy. lol. Just throwing ideas out there!
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Post by rionka on Mar 24, 2014 4:01:20 GMT -5
All these things with 'Amy Lee' herself as a brand used in the media recently, on MTV, in the interviews, on her management website etc. made me feel like there's really something more to come in the future. At first i didn't really want Amy to go solo because i thought it would kill Ev definitely - but time changed... i feel it's more complicated and i'm kinda looking forward to it WhisperedDreams be sure we'd pledge a lot if there would be a kickstarter! i'm definitely in i like these campaigns.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2014 6:09:21 GMT -5
The one thing I wonder now is how Amy plans to make an income if she's no longer being paid by the label. Even bands I'm into that seem to have a nice size fanbase have had to turn to things like Kickstarter, or PledgeMusic to get albums, or live DVDs funded for release, or even to raise money for a full tour. I think Evanescence has a larger fanbase than some of these bands I'm thinking of, but, they are not as popular now as they were 10 years ago. Then again, I wouldn't complain if Amy did a program like that. Imagine how many of us would jump on some amazing, unique perks? Day to day income? I'm not sure they have to worry about that. Besides her millions she has made over the years, she has probably gotten something from the lawsuit. They can definitely live off of the interest of that, granted they didn't spend a crazy amount on posses and other stupid shit, like some artists do (esp the ones who go bankrupt). And don't forget, Josh is a therapist, which probably also means he makes a shit-ton of money. I mean besides whatever clients he already has, he probably has other clients that come to him because he is Amy's hubby. Their house is fully paid for, I'm assuming. And with only bills to keep at bay, do you know how much money you could accumulate? So I'm thinking they are set. As for Ev and Amy projects, she can afford to fund and release her own stuff if she wanted. Although i do remember her reaction to paula cole'a kickstarter when she did her indie album. Amy was all for it, and I am thinking, while she is too high profile to do one-on-one lunches or a private concert in someone's house (because you know, there are still stalkers and shit to deal with), we may be in for some small venue secret shows, skype hang-outs, etc, which would still be awesome. Hell, I'd even go for backstage pre-show donuts, like Amanda Palmer's kickstarter. Bottomline, it depends on how much she wants to be indebted to the fans.
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Post by WhisperedDreams on Mar 24, 2014 9:15:14 GMT -5
The one thing I wonder now is how Amy plans to make an income if she's no longer being paid by the label. Even bands I'm into that seem to have a nice size fanbase have had to turn to things like Kickstarter, or PledgeMusic to get albums, or live DVDs funded for release, or even to raise money for a full tour. I think Evanescence has a larger fanbase than some of these bands I'm thinking of, but, they are not as popular now as they were 10 years ago. Then again, I wouldn't complain if Amy did a program like that. Imagine how many of us would jump on some amazing, unique perks? Well for Evanescence, Bicycle/Concord have distribution rights. If Ev is one of those bands that Bicycle/Concord have distribution rights to future master recordings, then Ev is set for their new stuff being released and distributed. As for touring and stuff, maybe the band will decide where they go and where they can afford. There's also the possibility that the band will sign a contract with Bicycle/Concord (since concord has their own labels), or another label, with a stipulation that Ev has creative freedom and if they want to release something, they can; and that solo Amy has nothing to do with Ev Amy. lol. Just throwing ideas out there! Possibly!! I was just curious about that, since I've been reading more and more lately about how hard it is for musicians to make money. Of course the details are none of our business, but, it made me think of possibility of Pledge programs in the future . Which would be awesome .
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Post by EvanescentEvil on Mar 24, 2014 14:53:55 GMT -5
I also have no idea how labels work, but I'm trying to understand what Amy meant exactly by saying she's free from the record deal, does it mean the deal was supposed to last 13 years and expired on March 18th or Amy broke it? Also, do we know if EV signed to make 3 albums or more?
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Post by FallenEvArmy on Mar 24, 2014 15:00:49 GMT -5
I also have no idea how labels work, but I'm trying to understand what Amy meant exactly by saying she's free from the record deal, does it mean the deal was supposed to last 13 years and expired on March 18th or Amy broke it? Also, do we know if EV signed to make 3 albums or more? There were reports that Amy was suing Wind-Up for 1.5 million. I think we're assuming she won the court case and is now free from the contract they held over her.
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Post by redeye on Mar 24, 2014 15:39:18 GMT -5
I love Ev but I swear its exhausting to support them sometimes. How sad is it that the only news we get in YEARS are court cases and label deals policies? If that even, since we don't know anything specific about them.
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Post by mydnyghtamethyst on Mar 25, 2014 1:35:00 GMT -5
I love Ev but I swear its exhausting to support them sometimes. How sad is it that the only news we get in YEARS are court cases and label deals policies? If that even, since we don't know anything specific about them. Well, what can you really expect when they are not currently active? And it's not really our business the specifics of the lawsuit or label change. I know as fans we are dying to get every juicy detail, but really it's not. No one has to explain anything.
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