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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2012 14:34:10 GMT -5
That's just weird. I can't think of anything i listen to without guitars x) And from my experience you're a suitably closed-minded listener. Why are you guys saying the WOTW is heavy? there's 'heavier' songs on TOD and Fallen is heavier than WOTW. This song is one of my least favourite on the album. I LOVE the verses, but I feel like the chorus ruins the song, like the chorus doesn't live up to how good the verses are. It seems we agree on something else... The song's chorus is its one true downfall. It's just not a good chorus.... But while I don't think of WOTW as particularly heavy, Fallen is downright tame. There are no heavy songs on Fallen. Heavy moments, but no heavy songs.
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Post by $wagrid on Dec 12, 2012 14:50:01 GMT -5
Malin, if you look at the posts on the first page, people are saying that WOTW is 'heavy'. People need to change what they call heavy lol. @melt - "chorus is its one true downfall. It's just not a good chorus..." I hope you mean verses xD I don't know, I think some songs on Fallen sound heavier than WOTW. Heavy Metal Music usually consists of distorted guitars and overall loudness, and I think songs on Fallen have that more than WOTW. Plus in Heavy music, guitars are the main instrument, and with Fallen it's evident that guitars are the main instrument (minus some songs) Whereas with WOTW, there's other elements like the plucking of the string instruments. But yeah, I agree with the 'heavy moments' part, and that Fallen isn't overall heavy, I just think that it's heavier than WOTW.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2012 14:55:10 GMT -5
I meant the chorus, because that is what you said, yes? The chorus doesn't live up to the verses of the song, which I agreed with. Hmmm... I don't think guitars are the main instrument of Fallen. On Fallen, every instrument is played to half its potential. The only time guitars have the spotlight is during the solos, because otherwise they just follow the rhythm or create background noise in the chorus. The instrument itself is always present (except for those parts of songs, usually in the verses, where there are no instruments playing at all...), but guitar playing is not a feature of Fallen. Fallen has no main instrument because every instrument is devoted to the sole task of atmosphere and very little else. I would say Amy's voice is the main instrument, but this is one listener who doesn't think her vocals on Fallen are particularly impressive. Ah, I know! The main instrument was the mixer! Whoever mixed the album is the one whose work is on display at all times... Anyway... You know.... Weight of the World.
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Post by $wagrid on Dec 12, 2012 15:01:56 GMT -5
Lol I meant as in your error. You said that "the chorus is its true downfall. It's not as good as the chorus." xD and I do like Amy's voice in Fallen xD It's just obvious that her voice is the main instrument in Fallen, I wasn't including her voice xD
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2012 15:47:54 GMT -5
I didn't make an error, silly!
I said "The song's chorus is its one true downfall. It's just not a good chorus." ... No as! ;D
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Post by $wagrid on Dec 12, 2012 15:55:54 GMT -5
LOL I apologize. Should've gone to Specsavers -.-
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Post by AeternusAmatorius on Dec 12, 2012 17:35:01 GMT -5
I think Weight of the World is one of the heavier songs on TOD because it has it's heavy moments with the loud guitars at the beginning and throughout the song. Though, what is heavy is a matter of opinion. Others may just call the heavy distortion of guitars in "Heavy Metal Music" noise...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2012 22:39:09 GMT -5
I think heaviness requires more than just volume and distortion (noise ;D) though.... There's gotta be a certain playing style involved... It has to have the right attitude, hehehe. I've always thought of WotW as more... Mild and melodic... Except for those dreadful "chorus-chords" that Ev is so fond of... I don't really feel the weight (of the world *ding*) when I listen to it. Maybe it's just how it's mixed... TOD is mixed in a very mainstream friendly way. It's all very clean, but it lacks punch.
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Post by elodieartour on Jan 11, 2013 19:10:19 GMT -5
I think heaviness requires more than just volume and distortion (noise ;D) though.... There's gotta be a certain playing style involved... It has to have the right attitude, hehehe. I've always thought of WotW as more... Mild and melodic... Except for those dreadful "chorus-chords" that Ev is so fond of... I don't really feel the weight (of the world *ding*) when I listen to it. Maybe it's just how it's mixed... TOD is mixed in a very mainstream friendly way. It's all very clean, but it lacks punch. I gotta disagree here. Despite TOD still being a mainstream record, it has been mixed quite well. I personally love the way the various music elements have been combined altogether. It's a bliss to listen to. On top of that, I do also see WotW as quite a heavy song judging by Ev's overall sound. Naturally, if you take a band like, say, Epica, Slayer, Cannibal Corpse, or whatever the genre kind of heavy band, then Ev don't even sound merely as heavy in comparison to them. However, I still have the feeling that WotW is the heaviest song on TOD, and I do get the whole weight-vibe thing. Not to mention that "Fallen" was mixed in a way more commercial manner in order to attract the masses. And I'm saying that as a Music Management student myself. (No offence, just sharing my personal views on the subject here.) In fact, it took me years in order to get the "She's nothing to me" line of the song. I mean, imagine that! ;D Lyrics are quite straight-forward, written in a fightful way, so to say, lol. She's grown up and changed. She's not gonna be held by who she used to be. Very motivating! Strings have been put forward on the mixing at times, vocals go from rather dark to quite gentle and melodic. The high-pitched note still gives me shivers down my spine! I love the way it overlaps with Amy's soft singing voice afterwards, as well as how the guitars come about meanwhile. Splendid! <3 Also, I really enjoy singing that song.
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Post by Lost Whispers on Jan 19, 2013 22:49:48 GMT -5
WoTW is one of my favorite Ev songs of all time. The high notes... <3 I created a mix with the Rock Band Multitracks. What do you think?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2013 23:37:18 GMT -5
^ I'll have to listen to that when I get back home and away from these shitty laptop speakers, hehehe. I think heaviness requires more than just volume and distortion (noise ;D) though.... There's gotta be a certain playing style involved... It has to have the right attitude, hehehe. I've always thought of WotW as more... Mild and melodic... Except for those dreadful "chorus-chords" that Ev is so fond of... I don't really feel the weight (of the world *ding*) when I listen to it. Maybe it's just how it's mixed... TOD is mixed in a very mainstream friendly way. It's all very clean, but it lacks punch. I gotta disagree here. Despite TOD still being a mainstream record, it has been mixed quite well. I personally love the way the various music elements have been combined altogether. It's a bliss to listen to. It IS mixed extremely well because it is a mainstream record. I never said it was mixed badly (except for Amy's vocals on certain songs... Ahem, chorus of Cloud Nine, heh...), but because of its mainstream mixing style it absolutely lacks the punch of true heaviness. Ev3 is the evidence for my opinion here, as it is not mixed as cleanly as TOD, but it has LOADS of punch. The drums and guitar just done have the bite on TOD that they do on Ev3, and this is primarily because of mixing. Ev3 has heavier and more intricate parts to begin with, but if they were mixed in the same 'compressed' way that TOD was, they would lose that impact.
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Post by elodieartour on Jan 20, 2013 15:50:23 GMT -5
Ev3 may have been mixed better, yet it sounds much more mainstreamish to my ears. TOD is more of an alternative record, in spite of its overall commercial purpose, whereas Ev3 is totally a radio-friendy album. Gotta admit that when I first heard some of the songs on it, I couldn't even recognize Amy's voice. So much auto-tune... :/
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Post by AeternusAmatorius on Jan 20, 2013 15:53:49 GMT -5
Ev3 may have been mixed better, yet it sounds much more mainstreamish to my ears. TOD is more of an alternative record, in spite of its overall commercial purpose, whereas Ev3 is totally a radio-friendy album. Gotta admit that when I first heard some of the songs on it, I couldn't even recognize Amy's voice. So much auto-tune... :/ What song's on Ev3 are autotunned besides the one part in MOS and at the beginning of MHIB?
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Post by elodieartour on Jan 20, 2013 16:04:48 GMT -5
Oh well, go listen to The Change in its live and studio versions for instance, and you'll get what I mean. The change between them (ba-dumts!) is way too big and Amy's vocals just don't sound natural on the recording at all.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2013 16:15:38 GMT -5
Ev3 may have been mixed better, yet it sounds much more mainstreamish to my ears. TOD is more of an alternative record, in spite of its overall commercial purpose, whereas Ev3 is totally a radio-friendy album. Gotta admit that when I first heard some of the songs on it, I couldn't even recognize Amy's voice. So much auto-tune... :/ But that's not a mixing thing, that's a songwriting thing. TOD is by far the more alternative album, that is true, but it is also mixed in a much more mainstream friendly way, which is part of why the album is polarizing. Ev3 is mixed like an alternative album but with more radio friendly music. The second point is a bit of an inconsistency on Ev3. The Change is the one song that has noticeable pitch correction to me, while in most of the other songs she actually sounds more natural than TOD, where her voice was mixed to sound as though her vocal chords were made of plastic. Look no further than "The water's rising around us, there is no other way down" to hear just how raw Amy's vocals are on parts of this album and the chorus of Cloud Nine to hear just how flat and mechanical her vocals are on parts of TOD... But I think the issue isn't autotuning, but that they layered Amy's main vocal melody with itself and a harmony... The end result is it's like there are three Amy's singing the same melody, creating that unnatural sound in her voice... But in many parts her vocals sound identical to good live vocals.
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